It has been almost two weeks since I talked to Ahmed, one of my best friends, who lives in my neighborhood. I received an email from him. To be honest, I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad after reading this email. On one hand I am happy because he is alive and on the other I am sad because of the content of this email that broke my heart.
His email was all about what he went through for the last week. He is left alone with no friends around him. All of us left and now he is just so miserable living in the most dangerous spot on earth. His words broke my heart especially the part where he said he had to sit in the garden by himself where we all used to gather.
The situation in my neighborhood is deteriorating, he said. The Mahdi army and the armed men are the only controlling power there. Iraqi Police and army are just names they hear about and have never seen there to protect the neighborhood and its people.
Here is the translation of his email.
His email was all about what he went through for the last week. He is left alone with no friends around him. All of us left and now he is just so miserable living in the most dangerous spot on earth. His words broke my heart especially the part where he said he had to sit in the garden by himself where we all used to gather.
The situation in my neighborhood is deteriorating, he said. The Mahdi army and the armed men are the only controlling power there. Iraqi Police and army are just names they hear about and have never seen there to protect the neighborhood and its people.
Here is the translation of his email.
Hi ****,
How is it going? I hope everything is going well in your
school and work. I miss you a lot and I don’t know what to do without you,
Safaa, Ahmed, Sameem and the others. I miss you so much but at the same time I
feel you did the best thing by leaving Iraq.
I am sorry that I
feel so creepy in this email but I really wanted to share what I saw and what I
see everyday with you as we used to do before. I can’t keep it inside me. I am
afraid I could kill myself one day if I keep them inside.
Day one:
I was going back home one day when clashes between US forces and armed men erupted in front of us. The bus didn’t go further, so I decided to walk through one of the shortcuts to our house. The clashes were near the gas station [which is a little bit far from the shortcut]. Suddenly an American soldier showed up pointing his gun at me. He asked me and the six other people to stop and so we did. He looked so nervous. He was shouting in English and all I could understand was the word “fuck” coming out his mouth. He was followed by three other soldiers who were looking around. It seems they were expecting bullets from snipers who might have been hiding in the houses.
The nervous soldier asked us to turn our backs. The man next to me told me not to say a word because [the soldiers] may do something stupid and kill us. They were so nervous that they could kill anyone in front of them.
One of the three soldiers searched my pockets as he asked me to raise my hands up. He pulled my wallet from my back pocket, saw what was inside and then threw it on the floor. It was windy and I was afraid that some of the identification might be lost. I wanted to lift them up but couldn’t do it as it might cause my life.
Then the same soldier came and took me near his humvee hummer. He asked me several questions and looked at my ID. He and the other soldiers interrogated all of us for two and a half hours. After that they let us go.
Day two:
I was in the garden alone. As usual, shootings and explosion rocked the neighborhood next to ours. But there was something weird. The sound of the shootings was coming closer. I didn’t really care that much because it is not something new. So I stayed there but the shooting started coming closer. Suddenly, armed groups took positions in the neighborhood. Then the a convoy of about ten pickups loaded with the Mahdi Army broke into the neighborhood and started shooting randomly. I couldn’t feel but the bullets at my house’s front door. So I ran inside the house away from the clashes. My neighbor said bullets broke his window but he was unhurt.
Day three:
Almost the same thing happened today but it was by armed men wearing army uniform in white pickups. They were shooting randomly at the houses in my neighborhood. We didn’t know whether these were army or interior ministry forces or men disguising in their uniform. In all cases, the front fence and door were riddled with bullets again. This time I was inside the house. I ran to warn my brothers and parents and we all gathered in the house corridor away form the windows. We found out later that two old men were killed as they were chatting in one of their gardens.
Day four:
Fourteen young men were kidnapped by the [interior ministry] commandos from the neighborhood. They young men were in a KIA minibus and were going to different areas. Their bodies were found dead, tortured and thrown under the highway bridge.
Day five:
I was helpless. I needed to smoke hookah as we used to when you and the guys were here. I set it up and started smoking in the garden where we used to hang out remembering you and Safaa and how we had fun together in spite of our shitty life. I sat alone. I waited for someone I know to pass by that I could talk to but no one did. No one dares to leave his house anymore. I was so desperate that I fell into tears. But I am really happy that you are not here. At least you could be able to get the hell out of hell. I am sure one day we would see each other again.
Day Six:
I was in the market buying some stuff for my mother when the Mahdi army broke into the neighborhood again. The armed men in our neighborhood took up arms and clashed with the Mahdi army. I was really scared at that day. People started running, I left everything and ran, and the shop owners closed their shops and ran. It was nasty and scary. Finally I could reach my house but the clashes continued and reached our street. Eight bullets broke the windows of our kitchen this time.
The clashes remained for about an hour until the Americans came. The Mahdi army and the armed men disappeared in minutes as if they were ghosts. However, we couldn’t sleep that night. I expected someone would break into my house and kidnap me and my other brothers.
Day Seven:
By that time, the Americans had left. The neighborhood was left loose again. The Mahdi army came back again. In the middle of the day in the shopping area, they kidnapped two young men and started beating them in front of the people who could not do anything because the Mahdi army fighters were carrying weapons and anyone came near them could have been shot immediately. As they were beating the young men, a woman pleaded them from a distance to leave these boys alone. The fighters yelled at the women and said, “Shut up you bitch. We’ll clean this neighborhood from you. The young men were strong enough to resist. They ran away from the Mahdi army. The fighters started shooting but the men ran fast and entered a nearby mosque. Then the Mahdi army shot some bullets around the mosque and drove out of the neighborhood.
Saddam’s trial verdict day:
I was at home at that day because curfew was imposed. The moment Saddam was sentenced to death, mortars started falling randomly on our neighborhood, Suleikh, and center Adhamiya. Explosions rocked the neighborhood. I said that’s it. There must be a mortar that is going to kill us this time. It is unbelievable how we survive every time such things happen.
Finally, our neighborhood and center Adhamiya is not the same neighborhood you used to see before you left. It’s worse. It’s a neighborhood of ghosts. Sometimes I walk by myself, or with one or two people. It is really scary to walk by yourself in the streets. They are empty and horrifying.
End of e-mail.
This is just an account of one week of one person in one area in Baghdad. So what about the other days and other places?
Finally, my neighbo, who was kidnapped few weeks ago, was found shot dead. His family found his body at the Baghdad Morgue. He was tortured to death. His entire family sold their house and left the country for no intention to come back even in the far future.
Excellent account. Some 'sovereign' government we have. I hope that Pelosi (never mind Bush), will have something to say on this sorry state of things in Iraq.
ReplyDeleteIs he still around the Black soldier who has "mistakingly" set the American flag on Saddam's statue back in April 2003?
Saad
this is just devastating BT. please send my warmth and hope to your griend. it must be very very scary to live there having no idea how long this could on. with the likelyhood it could get much worse.
ReplyDeletei am so sorry for you. it must break your heart to have someone you love and care about be in so much inner turmoil. i wish i had someway to help. i'm just so sorry for all iraqis and especially the ones left behind and those w/broken hearts for loved ones gone..
friend, i meant. sorry, my typing as usual sucks
ReplyDelete*doesn't really know what to say*
ReplyDeleteOMG, Treasure, it sounds like a full blown civil war. As a Shii, I am embarrassed by what the Mehdi army is doing to innocent Sunna. That's just crazy.
ReplyDeleteToB
ReplyDeleteNo amount of words can comfort you or Ahmed, or your family
To think I was ridiculed some 4 years ago when I told people that this would be the result of any form of occupation, I think we can honestly now quite safely say Iraq has elapsed into Civil War
This is one of the most powerful posts I have ever read
I always like to search for positives out of the most negative of situations, in this situation its impossible to see anything in the positive
How is food getting to Ahmed, your family and the rest of the population?
Money must be scarce, and the economy must be almost non existant
Here in the UK, any Iraq news makes about Page 10 of the tabloids
Thats how sick the world is
We live in a world of blind, cowardace journalism
If any news agency reads this, you have a duty to try and help the Iraqi population by any means possible, you printed the lies about weapons of mass destruction which fueled this carnage and got the support the governments needed to invade Iraq
Kind regards
Steve
I'm sorry about your friend, BT. I hope he stays safe. I really wished we would have crushed al-Sadr in '04, but now it looks like he's safe and the Mehdi army has splintered anyway.
ReplyDeleteBut since I am paid four Iraqi Dinars from the Lincoln Group for every boot-licking pro-Administration post (right Annie? Hey- Is that a lot of money BT?) I do notice that he survived an encounter with the Americans, even if it was scary and they were rude. But, while they were there the Mehdi army dissipated. When they left, they came back. Do you know if he preferred the American encounter to the Mehdi Army? Maybe as we "redeploy" by June '06 per the Murtha/McGovern plan we could squash them on the way out?
I am so sorry that terror is rampant in your country and you have lost your friends, your neighbors and your way of life. This is so wrong, and it didn't need to happen. I am grieving for the people in your country who must suffer becausee of the arrogance of an idiot and a tyrant, and the way they lied to start an illegal war.
ReplyDeleteهلو..شلونك؟ ان شاء الله بخير..شنو اخبار الدراسة؟
ReplyDeleteطبعا ما ادري شنو اكول لان اني وكل اهل المنطقة او الي بالعراق عايشين نفس حالة صديقك احمد، صدكني بالوكت الي انت واختي وعمر وباقي المجموعة جنا بالعراق الوضع يعتبر "ممتاز !!" لكن هسة اسوء من السوء نفسه..
بعد محاكمة صدام صارت مرحلة جديدة، ما متوقعيها لهاي الدرجة تسوء.. الهاونات ما تعرف من وين تجي على كل المناطقي الاعظمية، صليخ، حي القاهرة، والناس هواية تأذوا واستشهدوا..
الله يساعدنا كلنا، البعيد الي عايش بقلق على اهله واصدقائه والقريب الي عايش المأساة ومخلي كلشي على رب العالمين ومؤمن بالمكتوب اله
والله يحفظ الجميع يارب ويبعد عنا ولد الحرام..
تحياتي
ميشو
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“As a Shii, I am embarrassed by what the Mehdi army is doing to innocent Sunna. That's just crazy.”
ReplyDeleteHi Iraqi Mojo,
Don’t be sorry. These criminals do not represent the entire Shiite population and neither do the Sunni armed men who kill innocents under the name of Sunnis. My friend Ahmed is a Sunni and I am a Shiite but we never talked about this subject and we are always friends forever. We are all Iraqis and just Iraqis. These militias and armed should be really stopped because it’s going to be worse. Some people what worse than that could happen. I say it could be like Cambodia and Vietnam when our families might face an unbelievable terror of leaving their houses and cities. Whenever I remember The Killing Fields movie, I pray to God that Iraq would not face the same fate.
“How is food getting to Ahmed, your family and the rest of the population?
ReplyDeleteMoney must be scarce, and the economy must be almost non existent”
Hi Steve,
Buying food wasn’t that issue before I left. But now, it is a big issue because it is getting so hard to deliver groceries to markets. Transportation has almost collapsed. I heard a report about that topic on one of the radio stations the other day where several Iraqis were interviewed talking about how bad and expensive the food they are buying now.
The economy is terrible. People are quitting their jobs and leaving the country. Ahmed’s salary is about $100 per month which is nothing nowadays because everything is expensive. You can’t afford gas for the generators and cars, kerosene for the heaters, propane for cooking, and different food materials by this amount of salary. It is really hard.
”Do you know if he preferred the American encounter to the Mehdi Army?”
ReplyDeleteHi RhusLancia
Thanks for your kind words towards Ahmed. But here is the thing, he is neither with the Americans nor with the Mahdi army. He once told me that he wishes there was a dictator who crushes every outlaw in the streets to make him a lesson for the others.
I am an Indian currently living in the US. Like many of us third world nationals, I always considered myself more informed about the world than the Americans and thought I knew better than to believe what the media told us. But only after recently discovered Iraqi blogs, have I only begun to brush upon the sheer horror of this war brought alive by vivid descriptions such as this. Having witnessed and barely recovered from the horror of the terrorist bomb blasts in my home city (Bombay), I can only imagine what your everyday reality must be like.
ReplyDeleteAll I can say to you is that my thoughts and prayers are with you and the Iraqi people. God bless and I can only hope that we can show the world what is really happening and put an end to this once and for all.
Hi Micho,
ReplyDeleteShlonich 3eini. After reading Ahmed's email, I became so Pessimistic that I became MORE worried than I was.
I am sorry to hear all of that is happening in our beautiful neighborhood. It is really unbelievable that once this neighborhood was a great place where all of us Muslims and Christians lived together without fear. Now these armed groups and militias are destroying this peace.
You and your family are in my prayers like my family.
BT: "He once told me that he wishes there was a dictator who crushes every outlaw in the streets to make him a lesson for the others."
ReplyDeleteWell, many people think Bush is a dictator... and I think he'd like to crush the Medhi army. Too bad Maliki put the brakes on facing them down, but I see the point Saad made.
Do you know any Iraqi citizens who support* the Mehdi Army? I know there is some popular support for le Resistance, but is all the MA's power through violence & intimidation?
I hear you on the killing fields worries. That's probably my biggest fear, too.
* I'm excluding Iran, the Iraqi gov't and the CIA etc. on purpose. I'd like to know about popular support.
we dont see that on the news! Im sorry for your friend. His email drew my tears.
ReplyDeleteSome how you guys (Iraqi) have to get Sistani more involved ...
ReplyDeleteI suggest you flood Sistani's email
with these writings ...
I believe he still has influence
Shia militias must be reduced to
neighborhood protection only and they must embrace and protect
the innocent Sunni families
that are mixed in ...
Incredible amounts of resources
have been devoted by US and Brits to keep an
eye on the Shia militias ...
These resources could have been devoted to Anbar 3 years ago
and the horrible bombings could have been greatly reduced.
Shia militias and Americans fighting each other is the stupidist thing ever.
Militias need not be disarmed yet but they must cooperate with the police and army and Americans to secure their neighborhoods and protect ALL innocents in those neighborhoods
Flood Sistanis email demanding
militias fall under control of
government.
Pelosi wants a quick pullout of US Forces ... and so does Murtha ...
they feel that Iraq is now in a civil war and we should not interfere ... if you feel that is the way to go then you should be
happy with democratic victory ...
" your country who must suffer becausee of the arrogance of an idiot and a tyrant, and the way they lied to start an illegal war.
ReplyDelete"
And there was no suffering in Iraq
before ??? Hmm so Amnesty international was lying for 35 years !!
Hmm Abu-Ghraib in the news a lot the past few years ... well why doesn't some Iraqi post upon what
Abu-Ghraib was like from say
1990 to 2000 ???
Fact legal basis for war was
Saddams violation of UN
Resolutions ...
So far there is NO proof that Bush
has lied about WMD ... Fact
Tenent was appointed by Clinton
and admitted telling Bush
that the WMD evidence was "a slam dunk"
If new House Of Representatives
investigates Bush and Rummy and
Condi Rice and Cheney and
Colin Powell and has evidence that
Bush knowing lied about WMD
to invader Iraq they will all be in Jail ... however
it will NOT SOLVE IRAQS PROBLEMS
NOW.
This endless prattle about Bush has NOTHING to do WITH IRAQ TODAY
We need solutions for todays Iraq... We need people of influence
to to use their influence and
help build Iraq now
If Iraq was such a great place to live before US invasion why is
al-Sadr so damn intent on killing
as many Baathist as he can now ???
Why would Shia Militia rampage
and kill innocent Sunni families
now if life was so damn good under
Saddam !!!
I mean lets face facts does the Kurdish region want to go back
to those wonderful Saddam years ???
How about the people of
Najaf ... Hilla ... are those
communities yearning to turn back the clock to 2000 and live under Saddam ???
The former regime elements must
make the first move ... they targeted the Shia for 8 months
leading up to Sammara ...
If they end the attacks I believe
that Maliki can influence
the militias and gradually
have their role be involved in the security of religious sites only
Another comment on what occured
ReplyDeletein 2003 ...thats real important now !!!
I am sure the al-Sadrs men think about that as their motivation
to attack innocents ....
That is definitely on their minds
... the horrible bombings
an assasinations at Shia Mosques
and marketplaces for over two years ... thats not on their minds ... their motivation is the picture of the American Flag
on Saddams statue from 2003 !!!
Since our Indian American
ReplyDeleteCommenter is so so so
astute and wordly I believe
he/she should begin work
on solving the Kashmir problem already ... I mean another attack today ... innocents killed in Kashmir .... how many Israelis or Americans involved ???
Go home and solve YOUR Problems.
Work in the state department
of India and reconcile with the
Pakistanis already ... its so simple so direct such a damn easy thing to do.
Dear Treasure,
ReplyDeleteWhat a horrible situation that Iraq has turned to!!!
What Ahmed said is excatly what my cousin says every day about those specific neighbourhoods...
Ahmed and my cousin are living by God's miracles...and so are we in other Iraqis cities...
I keep bemoaning those olden days of Baghdad :(
God be with all of us.
Peace
A faceless, nameless person wrote this dribble:-
ReplyDeleteFact legal basis for war was
Saddams violation of UN
Resolutions ...
So far there is NO proof that Bush
has lied about WMD ... Fact
Tenent was appointed by Clinton
and admitted telling Bush
that the WMD evidence was "a slam dunk"
Steve says -
If I told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?
Bush is by far a bigger tyrent than Saddam ever was, and if you want to eductate yourself, scroll down the right hand side of this blog and read some of the REAL accounts
I think if you could wave a magic wand rewind the clock back 10 years and get Saddam back in power, I'd wager a bet that your average Iraqi would settle for that
You also spurt some nonsence about violating UN resolutions, lets break that down...
He was ordered to let the weapons inspectors in after he had obliged for several months/ years
Would you want a foreign nation coming to YOUR country and yielding a big stick and calling you a liar?
Saddam decided that enough was enough and told them to get lost.
I'm not a Saddam supporter before I get accused as such, I think he should be thrown in a cell with the key thrown away
What did America do, they decided to NOT explore every viable diplomatic avenue and bomb (murder)innocent civilians from a great height - this to me is terrorism, destrying everything that had been rebuilt since 90/91
Weapons of Mass destruction, for anyone with 2 brain cells, were not there
Weapons of mass destruction WERE there in the 80's when America supported Iraq after the Hostage crisis in Iran, infact its fact that America helped fund and support it
George Bush will be viewed as a War criminal.. please let history be my judge on that (and facts)
ToB's post angered and upset me greatly, you have got to be a thick skinned troll not to actually understand what the underlying message was
Best regards
Steve
Ex Gulf vet
p.s Saddam should have used the same defence as the Israeli's did for the slaying of 22 innocent civilians this week.
They said... It was an unfortunate technical problem
I am desperately sorry about Ahmed; I hope that he can find a way to leave Baghdad, if not Iraq, and live in safety.
ReplyDeleteTo the person posting as "St Andrews Golf Vacations Limited", it is highly misleading of you to say (11/10/2006 2:45) that here in the UK Iraq news makes only page 10 of the tabloid newspapers (which are aimed at uneducated people). Iraq it is front page news in the Guardian and the Independent every day, and news from Iraq often *leads* the BBC radio news bulletins.
Are there any professionals with useful skills left in Iraq? And how is your family coping?
ReplyDeleteSloganMurugan said:-
ReplyDeleteAre there any professionals with useful skills left in Iraq?
My understanding is, anyone who has skills in Iraq is very likely to be kidnapped and held for ransom, or simply executed
I remember reading this on several blogs
Kind regards
Steve
Treasure,
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to hear about the murder of your neighbor.
You have now lived in two countries, Iraq and the USA. Are you able to explain why the USA functions (mostly) as a liberal democratic country and Iraq does not? Have you witnessed anything in the USA that seems to be the key to success?
Original_Jeff said :-
ReplyDeleteYou have now lived in two countries, Iraq and the USA. Are you able to explain why the USA functions (mostly) as a liberal democratic country and Iraq does not? Have you witnessed anything in the USA that seems to be the key to success?
Steve says:-
America wasn't invaded and occupied by a foreign nation is possibly the answer
If say, for arguments sake, Las Vegas was bombed from a couple of miles up, and the people on the ground only had pea shooters as defence, then these bad guys that had killed a few loved ones decide to roll in with tanks and ground support, I'd expect that you average American would be mighty pissed off, and shoot these nasty guys who had decided to roll into town
Anarchy would now reign, people would be very upset, the economy goes into tatters, oil prices go high, protests turn into riots, gang warfare would be rife and having all your infrastrucure bombed the employment situation would be dire
All you have to really do is put the shoe on the other foot
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so
Kind regards
Steve
“Like many of us third world nationals, I always considered myself more informed about the world than the Americans and thought I knew better than to believe what the media told us. But only after recently discovered Iraqi blogs, have I only begun to brush upon the sheer horror of this war brought alive by vivid descriptions such as this.”
ReplyDeleteHi there,
Welcome! Thanks for your prayers and thoughts. I have several Indian friends here in the US and outside the US as well.
As for the news, I believe the media is either trying to hide the news intentionally or try to avoid showing the horrible scenes and stories as they are far from being bearable.
I believe the media here in the US, especially the TV channels, try to do both.
“Well, many people think Bush is a dictator”
ReplyDeleteRushLancia and Steve,
Well, I believe he is neither a dictator nor a tyrant. He is just a stupid person on earth. It is just now that he discovered the war is going in the wrong way. Duh!
“Do you know any Iraqi citizens who support* the Mehdi Army? I know there is some popular support for le Resistance, but is all the MA's power through violence & intimidation?”
Yes, those who hate ALL Sunnis and claim that all of them were Baathists.
Marshmallow26,
ReplyDeleteThanks a lot for your prayers. WE should pray for your safety!
God Bless.
Slogan,
ReplyDelete“Are there any professionals with useful skills left in Iraq? And how is your family coping?”
Iraq is left for thugs and criminals who are the most powerful power now. They have the power to kill every intellectual. They want to impose their stupid religious orders on non-religious people who used to live in a non-religious country.
Jeff,
ReplyDelete“Are you able to explain why the USA functions (mostly) as a liberal democratic country and Iraq does not?”
Yes, because they are different countries with different people, traditions and religions.
Treasure,
ReplyDelete"Yes, because they are different countries with different people, traditions and religions."
Under what circumstances might liberal democracy take hold and flourish in the middle east? Should the USA give up in the short term of extending freedom and democracy in the middle east? If demmocracy and freedom are not the antidote to terrorism and extremism, then what is? How can this ideology by defeated?
There are plenty of Muslims in the USA who seem to thrive and prosper here. Have these people changed in some manner?
Jeff,
ReplyDelete“ Under what circumstances might liberal democracy take hold and flourish in the middle east?”
Democracy will never succeed in the ME.
“Should the USA give up in the short term of extending freedom and democracy in the middle east?”
Yup!
“ How can this ideology by defeated?”
Tyrants!
“There are plenty of Muslims in the USA who seem to thrive and prosper here. Have these people changed in some manner?”
They are either accustomed to it or they believe in it and it’s one of the reasons why they are not in their countries.
[anonymous]"Go home and solve YOUR Problems.
ReplyDeleteWork in the state department
of India and reconcile with the
Pakistanis already ... its so simple so direct such a damn easy thing to do."
No sir! & why should he busy himself ONLY with Kashmir & not with other world issues as well? & why don't u do also the same?
"Flood Sistanis email demanding
militias fall under control of
government."
Jolly good idea. Serious. But instead of only demanding govt to control militias (which implies putting them within govt as it is the case now), demand to wipe militias clean out of the State's apparatus. That's much better
"Pelosi wants a quick pullout of US Forces ..."
I'm not sure she meant it that way. I think what she precisely meant is, 'Let me use this pretext to get myself & my people to the Congress, & then we will forget about it in service of our own partisan interests.'
Saad
sometimes i come here to post a comment and i just get so completely amazed by what other people view things i forget what i wanted to say in the first place.
ReplyDeletewhat's the situation like in other arab countries? like i know jordan and syria are obviously overwhelmed but saudi and the uae still take lots of foreign workers don't they? is it very hard to land a job there?
HOW they view things not what. pardon me.
ReplyDelete"Democracy will never succeed in the ME."
ReplyDeleteThat's a depressing prognostication, Treasure.
I am sad to read Ahmed's email. He seems so much without hope. There must be so many Iraqis who feel as he does! Also, I am sorry to hear that your neighbor was killed. I wish his family well.
ReplyDeleteKeep telling these stories BT. Americans need to hear the truth!
Regarding democracy in the middle east, I think that some day it might work, but never in the way that Bush tried to ram it down the throats of Iraqi people. Democracy can't be forced on a country, it must be grown and nurtured from within. I am certainly no ME expert, but from what I know of Jordan, they have some limited democracy thanks to the very wise previous King and his son. But, you have been in Jordan recently. Do you think that there is some democracy there, or is my impression wrong?
@saad
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure she meant it that way. I think what she precisely meant is, 'Let me use this pretext to get myself & my people to the Congress, & then we will forget about it in service of our own partisan interests.'
pelosi is a liberal and a fighter. she is also solidly aligned w/murtha. the dems are split. it will be intersting who becomes majority leader becasue it is between hoyner and murtha. hoyner and pelosi are at odds w/eachother and their policys. don't underestimate pelosi. she's tough and from the very liberal SF bat area. more likely she buffed up her image to appear 'strong on terror' image to get the dems in the house than the other way around. she's backed by 80% of her constituents, from very anti war SF
A friend of mine lives in Adhamiyya, she and I have almost ran out of credits in our mobile phones in attempts to check on her, attacks on her neighbourhood have become too many, her kid hardly goes to school, her husband never goes out and she says shopping has become such a hardship. And when I ask her to flee the country, she says, "And leave it to the black-clad monsters!"
ReplyDeleteThat's a depressing prognostication, Treasure.
ReplyDeleteMark my word!
David,
ReplyDeleteDo you think that there is some democracy there, or is my impression wrong?
Recently, the “democratic” king sent one of the parliament members to jail because he criticized the Royal rule in Jordan. What do you think? Is this democracy? His pictures are hanged everywhere in Jordan, even in the bathrooms I bet, just like Saddam’s. Is this democracy? Half of their taxi drivers are employed by the intelligence to monitor people and see if they criticize the Royal family. Is this democracy?
Chickitita,
ReplyDelete"And leave it to the black-clad monsters!"
It has been already left to them.
Treasure,
ReplyDeleteI'm posting this letter on my site for my students. It's serious "wake-up call" time.
BT, I did not know about the Parliament member being sent to jail in Jordan! Honestly, most of what I know about Jordan comes from Queen Noor appearing on Larry King Live and talking about the country and her late husband. She grew up in America, but maybe her years in Jordan have brainwashed her a bit. What you have described is certainly not democracy as I know it. Still, Jordan has a Parliament. I assume that they have some real power, even if it is limited.
ReplyDeletePerhaps the concept of democracy is not so important in any comparison to Iraq. What Jordan has that Iraq lacks is stability and peace.
Feel very sorry to read about it.
ReplyDeleteJust in ONE week, anything can happen in the extreme situation, The .
I really couldn't imagine that. Every seconds Iraqis can lost their live... ...(sigh)
I would say that we staying out of Iraq are fortunate.
As i am now trying to look back from your old blogs and search more about Iraq, Mahdi is the current leader in Iraq. Why he did such cruels to innocent folks?
Besides Madhi army, who are the other gangs of armed men (wearing in army uniform) shooting randomly?
Can US army minimise and help the local folks?
By the way, it is really sad to read about your best friend's e-mail. Will Ahmed able to get out from Iraq and join you in US?
Even your family... ...
BT and Pete,
ReplyDeletetrue, Jordan isn't a perfect democracy. But the story is more complicated. If the King and his father had the chance, Jordan surely would be a democracy like Spain or UK. But they are cornered by the Muslim Brotherhood. If free elections took place, the Islamists would reign the country. Same story in Egypt and Morocco.
History has shown that if you open democracy to those who hate it, you'll end up in no democracy at all. One of the grave mistakes in Lebanon: they shouldn't have integrated Hezb into government.
Jordan has the choice between limited democracy and Sharia. And don't forget that Syria claimed rulership over Jordan when Arafat was about to throw the country into a civil war.
BT - why are you so sure that democracy won't work in ME? Just a hypothesis: Iraq is divided into to parts, one democratic, the other with a despot like Saddam. Where would most Iraqis choose to live?
sorry, two parts ;-)
ReplyDelete[Pelosi]'s backed by 80% of her constituents, from very anti war SF
ReplyDeleteThat's probably the reason why she declared Iraq a "situation" instead of a war:
Asked whether her preference is to win the war or just end it, Pelosi said those are not the options.
"This isn't a war to win, its a situation to be solved, and you define winning any way you want, but you must solve the problem," she said."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228557,00.html?sPage=fnc.politics/youdecide2006
Maybe the anti-war people should consider changing their label into anti-situation?
BT –
ReplyDeleteThe letter from your friend is simply terrible. It’s worse than I could have imagined. Is there no way that he can get together with some of the neighbours for security? Isn’t it possible to put doors into the walls of neighbours so that they can move around from garden to garden without going out into the open streets? Man, it sounds bad. I say barricade the streets and make them only passable to foot traffic. It’s harder to hit and run if you are on foot. But I guess Iraqis have already tried this, you are clever people. Good luck to Ahmed, is what I say.
[BT] “These criminals do not represent the entire Shiite population and neither do the Sunni armed men who kill innocents under the name of Sunnis. My friend Ahmed is a Sunni and I am a Shiite but we never talked about this subject and we are always friends forever. We are all Iraqis and just Iraqis.”
Exactly.
[rhuslancia] “Do you know any Iraqi citizens who support* the Mehdi Army?”
I can answer: Yes. Sadr has a great deal of support from Iraqis. The question of course must be asked: how much of the support is GENUINE and how much is TEMPORARY support simply because those Iraqis have turned to him as a figure of safety in times of trouble? You know, the same process that Bush used to get Americans to vote for him? On the other hand the Mahdi Army (military wing of the Sadrists) is not very disciplined and is infiltrated by Badrists, whom I view as the real problem in Iraq together with their US allies. There are tough times ahead.
BT, if you disagree, say so!
[anon] “Shia militias and Americans fighting each other is the stupidist thing ever.”
ReplyDeleteYeah, the Americans think so too. Which is why the Americans prefer that Shia militias fight Sunni militias or other Shia militias instead. All the sectarian fighting keeps Iraqis from ganging up on the Real menace – the US army.
[anon] “Fact legal basis for war was Saddams violation of UN Resolutions ...”
FACT: Anonymouse doesn’t know what he is talking about. If he did, he wouldn’t spout such rubbish. Feel free, O Anonymous, to quote to us the relevant UN Resolution authorising the invasion of Iraq.
[anon] “So far there is NO proof that Bush has lied about WMD … ”
FACT: There aren’t any WMD in Iraq. Bush said there were. That makes him a … ?
[anon] “Why would Shia Militia rampage and kill innocent Sunni families now if life was so damn good under Saddam !!!”
Perhaps you had better ask the Badr Brigade that question, as well as the nice Americans that thought it was time to “make the Sunni population pay the price” for supporting the Resistance to Occupation. They are the people with the answers you want.
[anon] “Since our Indian American Commenter is so so so astute and wordly […] Go home and solve YOUR Problems.”
That’s hilarious! Really, that is rich! Aren’t you one of the foreign assholes who thought that IRAQI PROBLEMS were YOUR problems? Aren’t you one of the foreigners that thought they should invade and reshape Iraqi society to YOUR specifications? After all, YOU knew better, right? And now you are whining about an Indian commenting on your entirely failed enterprise as foreign interference after Iraqis have paid in blood for your hubris? The hypocrisy here is so thick it could be cut.
[steve] “He was ordered to let the weapons inspectors in after he had obliged for several months/ years. […] Saddam decided that enough was enough and told them to get lost.”
To be more precise, Steve, that is not exactly how the story went. What had happened was, the Iraqis objected to some of the US UNSCOM inspectors who they said were taking notes for future military attack. (Which later proved to be correct). Iraq wanted these inspectors replaced, a legal right under UN law that the US has availed itself of in the past. America objected and the impasse led to a round of bombing against Iraq. Saddam seized the opportunity to reject the UNSCOM inspectors for good, since the bombing had not been UN-authorised. That’s pretty much the story.
[original jeff] “Under what circumstances might liberal democracy take hold and flourish in the middle east?”
Quite simply, liberal democracy is not in the US interest in the ME. Liberal Arab democracies would likely form a common front against Israel and they would likely adopt other positions that would be unfavourable to the US. Iraq was the one secular based candidate that I could one day have envisioned morphing into such a state, but that chance is gone for a long, long time now. Perhaps BT is right. Perhaps democracy is a long, long way away.
[katrin] "If the King and his father had the chance, Jordan surely would be a democracy like Spain or UK. But they are cornered by the Muslim Brotherhood. If free elections took place, the Islamists would reign the country. Same story in Egypt and Morocco."
ReplyDeleteGreat excuse.
And if you give Americans democracy they will elect idiotic madmen to power that go on the rampage in other countries like Iraq and try to hypocritically disguise their bloody path as a fight for "freedom and democracy".
I think that the American right to democracy should be taken away for as long as we risk such radicals coming to power over there.
Bruno also gets a good egg of the day award
ReplyDeleteIts a tough debate to keep on the level, nobody likes hearing bad things about the country, culture and religions involved
I think you put your points accross very well. You are indeed correct about the inspector situation, but there was many occasions that they were locked out of the country, then Iraq was accused of trying to get rid of WMD to Syria or some other bollocks (UK word for bullshit)
Anyway, this Iraq's blog is the most informative I've come accross, not only because you get the real story, but you are also allowed to be educated by getting into good debates
The man that knows everything (and Annie) has never yet been born
Hope to see more of your views and opinions
Kind regards
Steve
a must read , nothing new just very well formulated.
ReplyDeleteBush believes that 'free trade' and 'free markets' are synonymous with 'freedom' -- and he's willing to implement this theory with military force.
the author Antonia Juhasz can be viewed lecturing here on the 'structural causes of war, i highly recommend
Maybe the anti-war people should consider changing their label into anti-situation?
ReplyDeleteah katrin, you are so cute yet ineffective when you try to support the newspeak/talking points.
and exactly what war do you think we can 'win' in iraq? the war on terror? the war on an illusive idea? how very manipulative of the framers of this madness to chose a terror as their enemy while they themselves spread terror. pelosi is right, this is a situation that needs to be resolved. one in which the goals of greed are the driving force in the motivation of the empire building. controlling the resources by any means possible using our military as 'security' for the implimentation of those goals. nothing will be solved here if we follow some illusion we entered iraq for the mere purpose of providing safety or security for the world. the absurdity of bushed statement a week or so ago of 'not letting' the terrorists control the oil' because then they will be able to influence other countries national security when in fact that is exactly what his cabal is up to.
so what exacyly is it about pelosi's stanch you find so objectionable w/your little anti-situation snark?
i suppose you don't think changing the situation at the root causes of terror are worth pursuing?
la di da, i suppose you think the US can still 'win' the war in iraq? or is it the total war leeden refers to the one we built those permanent military bases for, the never ending one that will be our excuse to never leave, our loverly 'war on terror' that you think we can 'win'?
pelosi's right, we can't just 'just end it' either. your attempts at smearing pelosi? you're in way over your head kiddo and no match for her.
Me: “Do you know any Iraqi citizens who support* the Mehdi Army?”
ReplyDeleteBruno: "I can answer: Yes. Sadr has a great deal of support from Iraqis."
Yeah, I know he has support from quite a number of Iraqis. I was asking BT if he personally knew any members or supporters. I was hoping to get a personal perspective of motives/views/etc versus the overview that we're aware of.
I'm really interested in seeing the documentary Zeyad posted but I'm having trouble connecting right now. I'd especially like to hear from the Iraqi soldiers & police- I know there's a bunch of them out there, but I'm missing the type of insight into them a blog might provide.
ah katrin, you are so cute
ReplyDeleteI wish you could stop your 'ladida', I'm not in the right mood for it when talking about these issues. Please respect that I have more personal experience with bombs and the consequences of war than you do. I won't go into detail because you would twist my personal experience to make it fit your theories. That's what you permanently do and it's hard to bear for me.
and exactly what war do you think we can 'win' in iraq? the war on terror?
Exactly.
how very manipulative of the framers of this madness to chose a terror as their enemy while they themselves spread terror.
I'm not denying that mistakes were made in the past. That's no excuse to add further mistakes.
pelosi is right, this is a situation that needs to be resolved. one in which the goals of greed are the driving force in the motivation of the empire building.
Talking of greed - you know that Pelosi is the richest member in the House?
the absurdity of bushed statement a week or so ago of 'not letting' the terrorists control the oil' because then they will be able to influence other countries national security when in fact that is exactly what his cabal is up to.
You don't know what's happening in Lebanon right now, do you? let the battle for Lebanon begin:
"A group identifying itself as ‘Al Qaeda Lebanon’ issued a statement Sunday threatening ‘to destroy the corrupt cabinet that takes orders from the US administration.’ The typewritten statement by the previously unknown group was sent to the Christian Voice of Lebanon radio station.
‘We have reached Lebanon and we will work on destroying this government and all the other agents. Let them know that we are after them, with God’s will,’ the statement said."
US orders? It's the UN and that's Lebanons only chance. Same motives of same "nice" neighbours as Iraq.
so what exacyly is it about pelosi's stanch you find so objectionable w/your little anti-situation snark?
You completely misunderstood me. I'm not objecting Pelosi, she seems to be responsible up to now. I was just demonstrating that she won't follow your anti-war-tune.
i suppose you don't think changing the situation at the root causes of terror are worth pursuing?
Wrong again - I just don't agree about the nature of the causes with you.
la di da, i suppose you think the US can still 'win' the war in iraq?
No, I don't. I'm ashamed the the rest of the world leaves Iraq on its own for the sake of blaming the US.
pelosi's right, we can't just 'just end it' either.
Uh, finally there's some reason in your ranting.
your attempts at smearing pelosi? you're in way over your head kiddo and no match for her.
No Annie, you attempted to adopt Pelosi for your purposes. You were over your head, kiddo, because Pelosi will never run for your conspiracy theories. Look at this:
"Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi
Statement on U.S. Led Military Strike Against Iraq
As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
The responsibility of the United States in this conflict is to eliminate weapons of mass destruction, to minimize the danger to our troops and to diminish the suffering of the Iraqi people. The citizens of Iraq have suffered the most for Saddam Hussein's activities; sadly, those same citizens now stand to suffer more. I have supported efforts to ease the humanitarian situation in Iraq and my thoughts and prayers are with the innocent Iraqi civilians, as well as with the families of U.S. troops participating in the current action.
I believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community's requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President, I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and that the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means."
So Annie, where does she fit into your imperial oil sheme? Nothing has changed since she spoke those words. Except the President. He's not "her" President anymore.
[rhus] “I was asking BT if he personally knew any members or supporters. I was hoping to get a personal perspective of motives/views/etc versus the overview that we're aware of.”
ReplyDeleteIn that case, Rhus, I suggest you google Gaith Abdul-Ahad (if I have it right) and Mahdi Army. He spent time with these people while they were fighting the US Army in Najaf. You’ll get a first hand account from the heart of the action.
[katrin] "We have reached Lebanon and we will work on destroying this government and all the other agents. Let them know that we are after them, with God’s will,’ the statement said."
ReplyDeleteOh, pu-leeez!
This is just hot air, if you have any idea of what Lebanon is about. Hezbollah would send those goons packing even faster than the Israelis. And, somehow I doubt that the Lebanese Christians or even the Sunni populace there would be well disposed to that sort of idea.
This sounds like an excuse for invading Lebanon a la Iraq and "fighting the terrorists there".
Bruno,
ReplyDeletesure, a South-African tells me what's going on in Lebanon...
I prefer reading Lebanese sources - something I've been doing on a regular scale since March 14. I've seen the people killed after Hariri, I know what they said and it's obvious who did it.
Go ahead, storm the Lebanese blogs with your fantasies à la "hey, let Hezb do the job of throwing out al-Qaida" and let's wait for their reaction. Didn't you notice that Mahdi militias and Al Qaida go after innocent Iraqi civilians and not against each other?
Another excuse for invading Lebanon à la Iraq? People like you don't even realize that Lebanon is no exclusive Bush matter. The people involved are Kofi Annan (limited), Serge Brammertz, Vladimir Putin, Jacques Chirac and Mahmud Ahmadinedschad. Europe and the UN are trying to do better there than US/UK in Iraq.
Bruno: "In that case, Rhus, I suggest you google Gaith Abdul-Ahad (if I have it right) and Mahdi Army."
ReplyDeleteThanks Bruno.
kat
ReplyDeleteI'm not denying that mistakes were made in the past. That's no excuse to add further mistakes.
ha! thats rich right after you respond w/'exactly' when i ask if we can win the "war on terror' , terror being of course, a techniques
"Much of the rest of the world at a fairly early stage lost faith, if they ever had any, in the narrative promoted by President Bush, in which America was cast as the leader of freedom, battling a foe variously described as terror or terrorism, and sometimes as evil or evildoers. To doubters it seemed obvious from the beginning that one does not wage "war" against terrorism, a word that, despite those last three letters, does not describe an ideology or a targetable enemy, but rather an ugly technique of attack that has long been used by the weak against the strong."
"Talking of greed - you know that Pelosi is the richest member in the House?"
excuse me? wtf does her husbands profits w/microsoft and real estate have to do w/ us fighting a war to fill the coffers of war profitters?
you don't like my la di da w/refernce to your smearing w/supposed humor/snark pelosi's analogy of the war as a situation that needs to be resolved and you want to be taken seriously by me because you have more experience w/bombs? ain't happening ms k. you want to be taken seriously quit towing the talking pts bs. and no, i will not be respecting you until you start deserving my respect which you have yet to do , i am non plussed by your rhetoric.
You don't know what's happening in Lebanon right now, do you?
i am not following you. why should US/IS have more influence in lebanon that its own citizens? the shite are represented there and they have a right to have veto power. this has nothing to do w/the hypocricy of cheneyco advancing their power over the resources of the ME. go watch the video i posted about along w/ Antonia Juhasz's piece.
US orders? It's the UN and that's Lebanons only chance. Same motives of same "nice" neighbours as Iraq.
hmm, and what about the us blocking the un from condeming israels massacre in gaza? of course you excuse terror when it suits you.
I was just demonstrating that she won't follow your anti-war-tune.
she's not stupid. as she says this isn't a tea party. she plays to get the dems in power. she has spoken out against the war and supports murtha's plan. did georgie boy say he was running to nation build? yet it is an established fact the invasion of iraq was planned way before 9/11. "she seems to be responsible up to now." how big of you. she happens to be a little more than reasonable, she happens to be the highest ranking woman ever elected in the history of the US. she didn't get there because she looks good.
"i suppose you don't think changing the situation at the root causes of terror are worth pursuing?"
Wrong again - I just don't agree about the nature of the causes with you.
right. why don't you find the quote of mine where i discuss the root causes, copy and paste, be specific and then we can discuss it. this should be quite interesting.
I'm ashamed the the rest of the world leaves Iraq on its own for the sake of blaming the US.
oh, you think thats why the world leaves iraq alone. so they can blame america?
Uh, finally there's some reason in your ranting.
btw, this isn't a rant, its a slap down. you hardly deserve a rant from me, i have already expressed how ineffective you are. when i use terms like la di da, i am pissing in the wind w/ease and not ranting. also, when i say we can't just 'end it' i don't mean we can't leave, i mean we have FU so hideously in iraq no matter what we do won't end it. we can not end it. only iraqi's can end it. and hopefully the criminal defense contractors who stole the $$$ that the american taxpayers spent to reconstruct iraq will have to pay it back so we can PAY FOR reparations for bombing their country to smithereens.
No Annie, you attempted to adopt Pelosi for your purposes.
excuse me? i adopt her because i reject your smearing of her or anti war or whatever? it is you who try to adopt that sbe aligns w/you, a german right?
earth to katrin, pelosi serves her constituents. so hell yes she adopts the purposes of those she serves. its a two way street, she gets elected based on her views, and her actions reflect those of her constituents. i am from her district.
You were over your head, kiddo,
when addressing you? never.
because Pelosi will never run for your conspiracy theories.
ha! you are so full of crap, the quote from pelosi you sited was from 1998! i found it in the urban legend section, because propaganda artists love using these old quotes out of context. "(In this statement Rep. Pelosi was not urging that action be taken against Iraq in order to destroy its WMD technology; she was expressing support for attacks that had already begun with that purpose as their stated objective.)" get it. clinton went in and destroyed sadams weapons program. but you knew that right? if you are going to quote pelosi, be current.
pelosi..if you want to reduce our dependence on foreign oil and therefore ... um ... improve our national security situation, you can't do it if you're a Republican because you are too wedded to the oil companies.
We have two oilmen in the White House.... The logical ... follow-up from that is $3-a-gallon gasoline. There is no accident. It is a cause and effect.... a cause and effect.
Where have you been, Mr. President? "let's see that matched in your separating yourself from your ... patron, Big Oil. Cut yourself off from that anvil that is holding ... your party down and this country down. Instead of coming to Washington and throwing your Republican colleagues under the wheels of the train, which they mightily deserve for being a rubber stamp for your obscene, corrupt policy of ripping off the American people."
"So Annie, where does she fit into your imperial oil sheme? Nothing has changed since she spoke those words."
except that we invaded iraq based on lies and fabricated intellegence!
nice strawman ms la did di. this endless total war meme? she's not on board. you're a joke, go back to the drawing board.
[kat] “sure, a South-African tells me what's going on in Lebanon... I prefer reading Lebanese sources - something I've been doing on a regular scale since March 14.”
ReplyDeleteAl Qaeda threatens to topple Lebanese Government in Purported Statement
AP – 13 Nov 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon: Al-Qaida has purportedly issued a statement threatening to topple Lebanon's "corrupt" Western-backed government, according to a London-based Arabic newspaper Monday. The Al Hayat newspaper reported that al-Qaida issued the statement from the Palestinian refugee camp of Nahr el-Bared in northern Lebanon. But Palestinian factions that run the camp denied al-Qaida had any presence there, and the Lebanese government cast doubt on the statement's authenticity. […] Al Hayat did not say how it obtained the statement, whose authenticity could not be independently confirmed. "There is nothing that proves that this statement was issued by al-Qaida," Lebanese Information Minister Ghazi Aridi told reporters Monday after a Cabinet meeting.” //end
That’s the extent of the certainty that there is about the scary statement made by “Al Qaeda”. Mmm. The Lebanese sound really worried, eh? Maybe it was a couple of kids on a coin phone. Certainly there are SOME people who would like to see Al Qaeda under every bush.
Speaking of which, here are the latest poll results, showing just how liked the US is in Lebanon, and just how much the Lebanese would welcome another Iraq style intervention:
Poll: 64% of Lebanese say opinion of U.S. worsened after war
Haaretz – 14/11/06
WASHINGTON (AP) - The recent war between Israel and Hezbollah guerillas cost the United States dearly in the eyes of Lebanese, a poll taken just over a month after the violence found.
Part of the Gallup World Poll project, the survey released Tuesday compared findings from its latest canvass, in August, 2005. In almost every category, the United States was the big loser. Nearly two-thirds of the Lebanese - 64 percent - who said their opinions of the United States were worse after the month of fighting than before.
[…]
Lebanese even took their dismay over the Americans to the extent that the United States was blamed as the country with the single greatest level of responsibility for the Israeli-Hezbollah war by 24 percent of the respondents. No country except Israel itself was judged more at fault: the Israelis were blamed by 40 percent of Lebanese.” //end/
Yup, I guess those figures speak for themselves. Blowback, I’d say, from supplying the bombs and supporting the country that did so much damage to Lebanon.
Blowback, I’d say, from supplying the bombs and supporting the country that did so much damage to Lebanon.
ReplyDeleteit seems the entire world is realizing the US/IS are just different hosts of the same toxic neocon/zionist plan.