May 27, 2006

May all Iraqis rest in peace

When I came back from work to the neighborhood last Wednesday after the attack, my eyes caught a chain of black banners announcing the death of the martyrs that fell victims in the explosion. They were all lined next to each other on a fence of a small farm just across the bridge that links the neighborhood with the high way.

Verses from the Holy Quran and a big Cross were put next to each other as if they were hand in hand declaring the victims were Muslims and Christians and all died together in one crime.

“People of the neighborhood denounce the criminal act happened on Tuesday,” read one big banner in the center accompanied by other black ones with names and ages of the martyrs. What broke my heart was my friend’s mother banner. Coming closer to the banner which says “The Martyr Um Bashar…” made me feel so miserable. She was there few days ago when I saw her, joking and advising us to be careful as “it’s dangerous outside.”

The funeral of a female victim [Um Bashar] takes place Wednesday, after a bomb planted in a motorcycle parked in the courtyard of a Shiite mosque Tuesday exploded in northern Baghdad, Iraq Wednesday. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

It was four p.m. by the time I arrived. I wanted to be with my grieving friends in this hard time. So I left work early at that day. The streets were blocked off by palm trees stems, metal bars and barbed wires by the people of the neighborhood who no longer trust anyone, starting from the security forces who were absent for months leaving the neighborhood lawless and unprotected. Residents volunteered to control it from any other possible attack that may target the funerals of the martyrs. They took up arms and set up checkpoints searching every single car entering the neighborhood.

The explosion occurred last Tuesday when a hateful criminal left a booby-trapped motorcycle near a falafel stand in a rush hour when dozens of people were standing in lines to get some hot falafel from the poor Abu Asaad whom he and his two teenage sons also died in the blast. Abu Asaad’s stand was near a Shiite mosque built after the U.S.-led occupation to Iraq in 2003. By the time the explosion happened, the street was full of people who were there for shopping. Men’s and women’s wear Shops, ice cream shop, and a bakery where all lined up on the other side of the street. I was always worried that this area would be attacked. A similar nearby commercial area was attacked by twice by car bombs and killed dozens as well the last month.

On the same day of the attack, I returned back from work tired. I decided not to go out and hang out with my friends like what I do every day having no other place to go to in Baghdad. It was 8 p.m. when S called me to see why I did not show up. I told him I my reason. So he and the other friends decided to return back to their houses. Shortly after that, the explosion happened. It was powerful enough to shake the house but not to break the windows like the previous one. We left one of the windows open to absorb the pressure of the blast.

My mother came running from the kitchen with pale face and shock to see if my father and I were ok. We thought about the whereabouts for few minutes until my cell phone rang. It was A, my friend. “Um Bashar is missing in the explosion,” he said shaking with sounds of people screaming around him. “What? What happened?,” I asked hysterically. “She was near the Husseiniya [the Shiite mosque] and Bashar is looking for her,” he said. My other friend also called and said, people saw a woman lying dead there. “Oh my God!” I held my breath for a second. “I hope she is not the one.”

At that time, we started calling each other to check if we are ok and none of us was hurt by the explosion. We then found out that Bashar is still looking for his mother. Weeping and shouting “Mother, Mother” among the dead bodies, he did not found her. He found nothing but blood and smell of barbequed bodies of women, men, elderly and children. A man rescuing wounded people told him that someone took her to the hospital. The man did not want to tell him that he saw her dead.

Bashar took another friend and sped to Kindi hospital where she was supposed to be. Time was 10 p.m. when he finally found her after a long trip in the dark, scary, lawless streets of Baghdad. She was there but covered with blood from head to toe. Shrapnel shattered her abdomen area and her lungs were filled with blood. Unable to control himself, Bashar lost conscience and fell on the floor.

Her body was brought the next day to the neighborhood for her family to bid her farewell and take a last look at her before being buried. She left a husband, a 20 year-old daughter and Bashar my friend, a great and lovely family I have ever known. As a Shiite married to a Sunni, she never taught her son and daughter that there is a difference between the two sects. She raised them very well as being Iraqi and only Iraqi.

Fawzi Yacob, right, grieves at the funeral of his wife Linda Matti [Um Omar, the Christian woman] Wednesday, after she died when a bomb planted in a motorcycle parked in the courtyard of a Shiite mosque Tuesday exploded in northern Baghdad, Iraq. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

In Iraq, funerals take three days. Today was the third and the last. People of different sects and religions attended the funeral which was held in a tent in front of the house. Thirteen other funerals were held in the neighborhood, including the one that killed Um Omar, a Christian woman who was shopping with her 25-year-old daughter. Susan, the daughter, was a bride who got married few weeks ago. She did not die but she lost her two legs in the blast and has become crippled.

Local newspapers showed the pictures of the funeral procession of the fourteen martyrs. Women were seen weeping and crying for Um Bashar, Um Omar and the other victims, including the two boys who were in their father’s car waiting for an ice cream to enjoy. They enjoyed death instead. The car was parked in front of the falafel stand. They both died as shrapnel tore their little heads into pieces inside the car.

As I walked from my house to the funeral in all three days, I noticed how this explosion was successful enough to turn it so gloomy, dusty, and sad. All shops were closed, people went out to offer condolences not to shop, and fourteen funeral tents welcomed the mourning people who were marching to each martyr’s funeral even if they did not know them personally. We considered all the dead our mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters and we all shared the unforgettable pain and grief…

May she and all the Iraqi martyrs rest in peace.

86 Comments:

  1. BT .... maku shi agula. Bas dimou3.

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  2. Mary from D.C.5/27/2006 6:25 PM

    BT: I am sitting here with tears running down my cheeks, not only for your friends's mother, but for the new bride with no legs, and others injured. I know you will support them. I am emotionally exhausted just reading about these trials; I can't even imagine how spent and exhausted you must feel.

    May you and your family be safe.

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  3. I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm sorry the insurgency has done this to your country. Keep faith in that someday Iraq will be wiped clean of these criminals.

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  4. BT I feel like TAI. No words just tears.

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  5. A Note to who is called Jeffrey:

    Don't waste your time in posting a word here. Yours will be deleted. You are very unwelcome here. so save your pride, if you have one, and don't throw your poison here. It may come back to you and kill you.

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  6. Nadia, TAI, Mary, and Anon,

    I am sorry that I made you cry. It breaks my heart that I am making people sad. I promise to post something happy if happiness comes back to my beloved Baghdad.

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  7. The trend I see as the brightest ray of hope is the "self governance" that is springing up in neighborhoods in Baghdad.

    What I mean by self governance are NOT Iraqis who are relying on the militias, criminal gangs or just waiting for the new government to make them safe, but Iraqis who are taking control of their own block/street, organizing, sharing and combining resources with each other.

    If neighbors who have been living together for generations can help and protect each other regardless of party or religion etc. then Iraq's future is bright indeed.

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  8. I used to read about Iraq and your fate in papers and magazines only. It is very different to read your news from inside the country though, as I am doing lately. Everything has come much closer now. I used to feel upset about what happened to you, but now, me too, I found myself crying for all those innocent people that died and got injured for no reason at all. May God have mercy on the Iraqi people and may your trial end soon.

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  9. During the war in Nicaragua in which the Sandanistas fought against the US-backed Somoza dictatorship, Bruce Cockburn visited the country and later wrote many songs about what he had seen there. When asked why he would venture into such a dangerous and sad place, he said "Where you find the most pain, there also you find the most beauty" The beauty he saw there was how ordinary people would rise above the ugliness all around them, set aside their differences and join together to hold each other up and strive to improve their situation. This is the beautiful flower that is blossoming in your neighbourhood, and by nurturing it you can gain strength and give strength to those around you. Though it sprouted from pain and desolation, it is yet another small treasure to add to Baghdad's trove.

    My heart goes out to you and your friends and neighbours. Be safe, and hang on to hope.

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  10. "It doesn't make sense for to come here, does it? I mean, you've called all Americans murderers, so I don't think it would be wise to fly to Philly for college".

    This seems to be a Jeffrey clone BT. There's the obvious literacy issues which our ESL teacher prides himself in never making....

    Either way, that not so subtle threat would be worthy of a smack down. The silly little bed-wetting bastard couldn't even muster enough courage to post under his real name. Post his address and maybe there's someone in proximity who could teach him some manners!

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  11. Treasure,
    Slowly, slowly the net that the Internet is weaving through your voices is drawing all of us, some kicking and screaming, closer and closer together. We are attracted, and it is part of our destiny.

    A prayer that is written for the departed,
    "O my God! O Thou forgiver of sins, bestower of gifts, dispeller of afflictions!
    Verily, I beseech Thee to forgive the sins of suh as have abandoned the physical garment and have ascended to the spiritual world.

    O my Lord! Purify them from trespasses, dispell their sorrows and change their darkness into light. Cause them to enter the garden of happiness, cleanse them with the most pure water, and grant them to behold Thy splendors on the loftiest mount."

    I said this prayer for my father and I say it for your friend's mother. Is there any real important difference in the two people?

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  12. BT, thanks for the kind words, brother.

    I have re-read your blog a number of times and the pain won't go away.

    Don't be swayed by the obvious cowards. Most of them would pee their pants if they ran into an Iraqi.

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  13. Edoriver,

    That's really beautiful. You continue to write inspiring words.

    Carry on, please. Your are tranquil waters.

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  14. Nadia, TAI, Mary, and Anon,

    I am sorry that I made you cry. It breaks my heart that I am making people sad. I promise to post something happy if happiness comes back to my beloved Baghdad.


    What I value most in the Iraqi blogs is the truth about what is actually happening. I appreciate you sharing your life with us whether it is happy or sad. Perhaps this blog can be an outlet for your grief. I am so sorry for the loss of your friend's mother. May God provide some peace and comfort for you and your family.

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  15. It is truly sad what is happening to ordinary Iraqis. This site poignantly describes the sorrow that has befallen them.
    However there is no clarity at this site as to why this is happening. From this site i get the impression, Sunnis love Sheites and vice a versa. Also supposedly they both have a wonderful relationship with Christians . And I never hear a bad word about Kurds either. So who is doing all the killing and why?

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  16. I'm so sorry for the terrible situation your friend's family must be going through.

    Tomorrow is Memorial Day in America. As you probably know, it is a day to honor our fallen soldiers (when we aren't too busy BBQing, drinking beer, and buying stuff at the sales). Tomorrow, I plan to pray for all victims of war, especially the people of Iraq who have had their lives destroyed. I will be praying for your friend's mother as well as all the people in Iraq, including American soldiers.

    Please stay safe!

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  17. i sit here and think about what bush and blair said this last week about iraq and i wonder if they ever shed a tear over the horror they have unleashed. today in america we will honor our war dead and there will be speeches about the grand job our troops are doing to save america from the terrorists in iraq. somehow the murder of the the innocents taints the speeches with the blood. someday....peace be with you, rchsod

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  18. Hey BT, I'm really sorry to hear about your friend's mother being killed - it must be very troubling for you and expecially for your friend. It is hard enough losing a loved one, it is worse when that loss is sudden, and you know that the person should have had many more years to live.

    My thoughts and prayers are with your friend, and with the families of the others who were caught in that bombing.

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  19. Careful, you nasty little boys...one of these days you're going to choke on your own vitriol. What possible pleasure can you get out of spewing your odorous crap at this site? Go away and play in a dungheap, might make you smell better.

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  20. Iraqi female5/29/2006 12:20 AM

    Even a six year old would have shown a far more civilized attitude than the one this so called Jeffrey has been demonstrating for a quite while now. Coming across such platitudinal banality fills me with repugnance and disgust.

    Oy idiot, can’t you see the occasion is not one to tolerate more of your disgustingly idiosyncratic mockeries?

    If you’re incapable of showing some respect for the grievers, at least show some for the dead, or else SHUT UP...

    And for God’s sake, just for once prove us wrong, and show us some positive aspects of your so-called civilization. But what else would one expect from such useless good for nothing half-wit like you

    I reckon even these few words are enraged for being wasted on you

    """You don’t give what you lack"""

    this famous Pan Arab adage I reckon describes you best

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  21. There goes another Iraqi female making her Iraqi brothers proud, proud, proud.

    Guwa, guwa, ukhti.

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  22. BT, nice "house cleaning".

    Sometimes you really need to clear out the cupboards ...

    : )

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  23. Hah! Thanks for cleaning up BT, your site smells much better now that the droppings have been disposed of. What kind of human can spit on a shrine for the dead? What motivates people to behave so badly? I can't understand...

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  24. Baghdad Treasure --

    This sectarian tit-for-tat bombing story is getting to be such bullshit.

    May those that perpetrate these acts burn in hell.

    I offer you my condolences, BT, inadequate as they are. It seems that this is all that we are doing these days – telling Iraqis how sorry we are for hearing of their losses. Cheap words can do nothing to replace your loss, but at least we can tell you that you are not unheard in your grief.

    I missed the comments of that well-known, pathetic loser who goes by the name of Jeffrey, since I don’t surf the net on weekends, but I can imagine how hateful they must have been.

    As they always are.

    Please don’t let his words hurt you. They only reveal the immaturity and shallow spitefulness of their owner, and they are linked to the political positions that he stands for. With some pride you can say: “This is my enemy. Everything he is, I am not.” You can be take solace in the fact that people like him show by contrast the superior morality and humanity that you have. They are already in hell, because they have to live with themselves every day.

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  25. [Anonymous] “ However there is no clarity at this site as to why this is happening. From this site i get the impression, Sunnis love Sheites and vice a versa. Also supposedly they both have a wonderful relationship with Christians . And I never hear a bad word about Kurds either. So who is doing all the killing and why?”

    The violent invasion has swept away all social order. People have been unsure of whom to trust and yet they need protection. A natural consequence of all humans in times of uncertainty is to polarise around those most like them and around those that they believe can protect them. Hence the sudden upsurge in sectarianism and tribalism. As Abu Khaleel once said, tribalism is most at threat in times of peace.

    Additionally, if we look at the way the US tried to impose “order”, it based the governing system directly on sect and ethnicity. Remember the “rotating presidencies” based on these criteria? This helped lever apart the cracks in Iraqi society. The political system introduced also favours big parties and coalitions. Hence, it suits the political parties to have Iraqis at each other’s throats since polarisation assures them of their support base. Why should they try to get people to trust each other again?




    [rubin] “ The trend I see as the brightest ray of hope is the "self governance" that is springing up in neighborhoods in Baghdad. What I mean by self governance are NOT Iraqis who are relying on the militias, criminal gangs or just waiting for the new government to make them safe, but Iraqis who are taking control of their own block/street, organizing, sharing and combining resources with each other. If neighbors who have been living together for generations can help and protect each other regardless of party or religion etc. then Iraq's future is bright indeed. ”

    I checked outside to see the sky, and nope, it is not snowing.

    Although it should be, because Rubin and I finally agree on something.

    I have said all along that the first step to liberation is the banding together of streets and neighbourhoods and the formation of local self defence groups for protection. This is the bottom-up solution which I have said would always be the key to freedom.

    Rubin, of course, does not understand that the American control of Iraq rests fundamentally on the hierarchical control of the country via a pyramidical, top-down power structure. In other words, Iraq is run thusly: Bush tells Khalilzad who tells Maliki who tells Jabouri who tells the police / militias who tell Iraqis what to do. A bottom up scheme reverses this process and works directly against US designs for the control of the Iraqi land and people.

    Rubin does also not understand that such schemes will inevitably be pro-Resistance. This is because he does not understand that the resistance to occupation springs directly from the Iraqi people themselves, demonstrated in poll after poll after poll. As long as the people of the neighbourhood are able to secure themselves, their power as neighbours and Iraqis means that they have no need of foreigners for protection. They have no need for Americans or Iranians or Salafis to shield them.

    Once Iraqis stop fearing each other, the occupation and all its attendant evils is doomed.

    It will just be a matter of time.

    Go Iraq!

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  26. Melissa:
    "Where you find the most pain, there also you find the most beauty"
    That is such a great saying, indeed. Thank you.

    "Though it sprouted from pain and desolation, it is yet another small treasure to add to Baghdad's trove."
    After I came back from work today, I went to see my friend whose mother died in the blast. It made me so happy to see that the incident made the people of the neighborhood strengthen their bonds. Although careful, but these people insisted to go out and keep moving despite what happened.

    Edoriver,
    Thank you so much for your prayers…

    "Is there any real important difference in the two people?"
    No, indeed. We are all human beings who live and die like each other.

    Anonymous 5:07 AM:
    "Perhaps this blog can be an outlet for your grief."
    It is really an outlet for my grief. When I write about how life looks like here, I feel I sent the message, the one that may help my country and the one that may make people in the world know that it is really hard here.

    Thanks for you kind words and prayers.

    Anonymous, 5:42 AM:
    "From this site i get the impression, Sunnis love Sheites and vice a versa. Also supposedly they both have a wonderful relationship with Christians . And I never hear a bad word about Kurds either. So who is doing all the killing and why?"

    Thanks for your kind feeling.
    We like each other because we've been living together for hundreds of years. if you go back to the history, Iraqis never fought each other. Sunnis, Shiites, Kurds, Christians, Sabeans, Yazidid and all other religions, and ethnicities never fought each other. Otherwise, there would have not been something called Iraq.

    What you are reading and hearing is the struggle of powers only. It was Saddam who really fought against Shiites and Kurds. It wasn't the people. The same is happening today, the Shiite militias are killing the innocent people because they want to take revenge. They consider all the Sunnis Baathists and were favored b y Saddam, which is completely untrue. On the other hand, the Sunni Saddam's followers are killing the innocent Shiite people for the sake of taking revenge because Shiites now are favored by the occupation. So, if you notice, it's not actually the people who are fighting each other. It's the struggle for power. Add to this the terrorist attacks by Zarqawi and al-Qaeda.

    Some people say that this is the "resistance". All of what I mentioned above is not resistance at all.

    This is in brief. I hope it is helpful.

    MC,
    Thanks for your prayers and nice words. I feel so bad for my friend. He cried a lot saying that he couldn't even kiss her or hug her before she died. The only time he saw her was in the hospital when she was all in blood.

    Iraqi female,
    Thanks for slapping those who redicule the feelings of people grieving. Welcome in my blog.

    TAI,
    "Sometimes you really need to clear out the cupboards ..."
    LOL… Thanks dude.

    Melissa,
    You are very welcome.

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  27. Brunu:"but at least we can tell you that you are not unheard in your grief"

    Thank you so much. This makes me feel that what I am doing is not wasted.

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  28. I can only offer deep sympathy and hope that all the murderers are soon caught and put in jail. We had thirty years of this kind of thing in Britain from the IRA, but it seems you have not one terror army but three or four.

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  29. BT-My sorrow and prayers over you and your friends losses, I hope for you Peace, Peace and more Peace, and may it come quickly to you and to all of Iraq.

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  30. Question to the Iraqi's only: What do you believe is the solution for final Peace?

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  31. I might add one comment regarding the question of who is responsible for all these atrocities - in addition to Saddamists, sectarians, jihadists and assorted power brokers, I consider it very likely that the total breakdown of security in Iraq has resulted in every nutbar and lunatic in the Middle East making their way there. Do you enjoy rape, plunder, pillage, murder, fires, explosions? - then Iraq is your ideal vacation destination! Just think of all those Jeffrey-like souls liberated to unleash their venom in a place where havoc has become the norm. Aside from all those with political and power agendas, there have to be a lot of garden variety sickos running around there right now.

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  32. To anon 11.01

    * demand ending the military and economically occupation of Iraq.

    * I demand complete withdrawal of all occupation troops, all contractors, all mercenaries and all civil occupation people from Iraq.

    * I demand that the immunity law that was given to the above is no longer active. From this moment they are punishable under Iraqi law for crimes committed in Iraq and against Iraqis.

    * I demand all occupation military bases and new embassies to be closed. They are now the property of Iraqis.

    * I demand the Iraq government and Iraqi politicians put a stop to the crimes of their militias, we know you have the power to do so, so do it.

    * I demand that the Iraqi resistance to the occupation declares on all possible ways that it will stop its attacks against occupation troops because they are now on their way out of Iraq.

    * I demand from all the ordinary criminal Iraqis to wake up and start put your enormous energy to build a peaceful Iraq instead.

    * I demand honesty and unity from all of us Iraqis.


    I tell all sorts of people in Iraq who are involved in terrorist activities with the above demands fulfilled it will get more difficult for you to operate in Iraq and it will get easier for Iraqis to see who you are and catch you to be prosecuted under Iraqi law.

    * So occupation troops and occupation people pack your bags and leave Iraq and let us Iraqis take it from there.

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  33. BT -

    "...I noticed how this explosion was successful enough to turn it so gloomy, dusty, and sad."

    You have said a lot of things that I thought were really poignant. This line is certainly one of those times.

    In light of all that has been happening in your life and in particular with this most recent incident I can understand how “gloomy, dusty and sad” everything must seem. But as you pointed out this would be a success for the terrorists.

    I hope this most recent incident gives you and your neighbors yet another reason to stand firm in the face of this terror. They can kill, maim and destroy but that is all they can do. They can not take away your spirit and I hope they never will.

    History has shown us that ideologies that believe such senseless killing is justified never last. It seems humanity is much too strong for that.

    Like fascism and communism before it, militant Islam will eventually be de-legitimized by the masses. We must have the courage to stand up to it and the fortitude to outlast it. Reading this story about you and your neighbors makes me believe that there is hope.

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  34. Hey BT,

    I had something a bit similar happen when I was in high school, when my best friend's dad went out jogging during his lunch break, came home, and dropped dead of a heart attack. He was only in his 40s, and my friend (and everyone else who knew him) was totally in shock. I was in shock too - I was at my friend's house the day before and had talked to him and his dad.

    I'll never forget the look on my friend's face sitting behind him in the funeral.

    Death is a hard enough thing to deal with in normal circumstances, but it's worse when it comes suddenly, and years before it is supposed to. As a loved one gets older, we accept that they will die soon and we take our time making things right. But, when that person's life is suddenly ripped away from them, it is harder to accept.

    I hope your friend is okay...

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  35. BT:

    Some people say that this is the "resistance". All of what I mentioned above is not resistance at all.

    OK, that was clear enough. BT, I wonder if the perpetrators of all of the killings you mentioned above consider themselves the resistance? And therefore that their acts are justified and supported by the population? It seems they must believe quite strongly in what they are doing in order to continue doing it. In another post, TAI said attacks against Iranian agents are legitimate. In the mind of an attacker, isn't that just another code word for "Shia"? I also haven't heard you or TAI say whether attacks on Iraqi gov't, army, ng, and police (excepting "death squads") are legitimate or condemned?

    I'm sorry to hear about your friend's mom and all the other innocents killed that day. I hope there is justice soon.

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  36. In another post, TAI said attacks against Iranian agents are legitimate. In the mind of an attacker, isn't that just another code word for "Shia"?

    No, it isn't just another code word for "Shia". Who the hell said that?

    Please, don't misinterpret.

    BT is Shia, do you see me saying he should be attacked?

    Almost all Iraqi Shia are fiercly proud of their Arab ancestry, if they are Arab. There are Iranian Shia in Iraq, many of them have nothing to do with politics or the current madness.

    There are Turkmen Shia (not Iranian) as well as Kurdish Shia (again, not Iranian).

    Iran and Iraq have been at each others' throats forever. Which is why I specifically said Iranian agents, many of em in the Badr Brigades, and those which the US military confirmed capturing as they crossed the border into Iraq a few weeks ago.

    What were they going to do in Iraq?

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  37. TAI: Please, don't misinterpret.

    I'm trying, but there are wide and varied brushes being used to paint the attacks & attackers as justified. I'm looking into the perspective of the bomber, since you and BT support the resiistance to certain degrees. What I'm asking is: How do they see themselves?

    For my point about Shia = Iranian Agent (not in my view, but potentially in an attacker's), that is a conglomeration. Hosni Mubarek recently said this: "The Shiites are always loyal to Iran. Most of them are loyal to Iran and not to the countries in which they live." Zarqawi, of course, declared open war on Shias (but he is a terrorist).

    Without a trial or any sort of due process, how would a resistance fighter know for certain if he is attacking an Iranian Agent or a civilian?

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  38. MC:
    I hope your friend is okay...
    He is trying to cope with the situation. We try to see him everyday to keep him busy until he feels fine.

    Rushlancia
    BT, I wonder if the perpetrators of all of the killings you mentioned above consider themselves the resistance?

    That’s a good point to discuss. The criminals can call themselves whatever they like but in the eyes of people, they will remain terrorists, not resistance.
    People now completely comprehend that there is a difference.

    I also haven't heard you or TAI say whether attacks on Iraqi gov't, army, ng, and police (excepting "death squads") are legitimate or condemned?

    No, you are wrong. Maybe you haven’t read my eldest posts or comments. I am completely against attacking the government and its forces. Attacking the security forces and the government is one of the main reasons of the chaos happening in the country. Those who kill Iraqi army or police are criminals who try to prevent Iraq from taking the first step towards stability.

    You know, I think you misunderstood TAI. I am definitely sure that he doesn’t mean Shiites=Iran. If so, we wouldn’t have become friends in a short time. As he said, I am a Shiite and he is a Sunni.

    Hosni Mubarek recently said this: "The Shiites are always loyal to Iran. Most of them are loyal to Iran and not to the countries in which they live."

    You know what? If you ask any Iraqi about Mubarak, he/she would say “I want to spit on his face”.[sorry for the expression]
    Iraqis do not like him and always against Iraqis. He hates Iraqis to the extent he considered Iraq’s Shiite are loyal to Iran. It’s true that some Shiites are loyal to Iran but not all. He generalized the issue. I am a Shiite from a Shiite father and mother but never felt any loyalty to Iran and will never do. The problem is that the Shiite political parties that came from after the invasion came from Iran as they were hosted and embraced there. They feel grateful to them. but the people? No way. Not all of them.

    Without a trial or any sort of due process, how would a resistance fighter know for certain if he is attacking an Iranian Agent or a civilian?

    I don’t consider the ones attacking Iranian agents- whether they are recognizable or not- as resistance. Resistance is against occupation only.


    Anonymous,
    Question to the Iraqi's only: What do you believe is the solution for final Peace?

    Good question,
    1. I would like to see a STRONG government that maintains security.
    2. Disbanding the militias, starting from Badr which is taking revenge from Sunnis randomly.
    3. Providing jobs to the unemployed to make them leave their cooperation with the insurgents who kill and kidnap innocent people.
    4. Reform the police and army forces by reviewing the files of each soldier or policeman to check his loyalty which should be to the country not to a specific political party, sect, or religion.
    5. The US policy should be supportive by action, not words towards the real steps for stability and democracy.
    6. A fair trial to the criminals, Iraqi and American, who killed innocent Iraqis, like what happened in Haditha.
    7. By then, God knows how long it takes, the US forces should leave Iraq at least with a white face as we say in Iraq.

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  39. You know what? If you ask any Iraqi about Mubarak, he/she would say “I want to spit on his face”.[sorry for the expression]

    HAHAHAH, Amen to that. They refer to him as Mubarak il 3agouz in Egypt. Mubark the elder, or more likely, the senile.

    Interesting how Mubarak came up with that at the same time we started hearing anti-Iran sentiment in Washington.

    You can understand the entire history of the middle east just by looking at the timing.

    BT, I liked your number 4. But it will take such a long time to do that.

    Which means they better get started.

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  40. You are right, TAI.
    I think they'd better start. There are hundreds of thousands civilians are being kidnapped and killed while the government forces are still unable to maintain security.
    Can you beleive that since the blast that happend in my neighborhood, no Iraqi army or police were seen to protect the residents?! what the hell is this called?

    I also forgot to add one point as an answer to Anonymous: it's gonna be # 8:
    I think we-all Iraqis-should understand that this is their country and they should forget about the past. Saddam is gone. The crimes that are committed here by Iraqi and foreign insurgents and the US military are far more worse than what happened under Saddam.
    We should stand hand in hand as we used to be and build our country.

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  41. Yes, absolutely right. But where are those who understand this as you and I do?

    Buried under the ash of smoldering corpses wrought on this ancient land.

    I truly believe that the millions of Iraqis outside all want to build the country. But they stay out until peace prevails, until brother stops killing brother.

    Anyways, I wonder how many Iraqis are leaving for good this year?

    Better to survive and live to come back another day than to lie in a morgue.

    I had really hoped after April 9 that Iraqis would say "never again will we persecute any one of us".

    It's like no one learned anything from the past 70 years. All the bloodshed.

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  42. BT: I am completely against attacking the government and its forces. Attacking the security forces and the government is one of the main reasons of the chaos happening in the country. Those who kill Iraqi army or police are criminals who try to prevent Iraq from taking the first step towards stability.

    No argument from me there. Thanks for stating your position. There's now about a quarter million Iraqi security forces there, isn't there? That means that they outnumber the US forces by almost 2:1. I'm aware of only one incident where an Iraqi soldier killed an American - not sure what it was about. They work together, train together, and fight together. They seem to have Iraq's security & stability as a shared interest. Why are the Americans OK targets but not the Iraqis?

    BT: "You know, I think you misunderstood TAI. I am definitely sure that he doesn’t mean Shiites=Iran."
    No, I don't think he meant that either. But to an attacker, isn't it possible that they believe it? They have to believe something. Mubarak's comments and Zarqawi's are just two I could pull off the cuff. It seems every time reuters or ap does a story on "sectarian violence" they pull off quotes like that from guys in the street. You disagree with TAI on if attacking Iranian Agents is justified (good for you).

    I fully agree with your listed points. I believe #1 and #5 are going to take our assistance for a while. I wish you would reconsider supporting the resistance over our troops - the only thing the resistance can achieve is delaying #7 at this point.

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  43. RhusLancia, I wish you could understand that US troops represent the US adminstration and the US adminstration is NOT an honest broker in Iraq. US administrations have too much blood on thier hands to ever be trusted in Iraq or the Middle East.

    That is why US troops must leave. I'd rather have 120 000 Code Pink ladies in Iraq.

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  44. BT very good solutions you have! I just wish that Iraqis in government understand that wanting a strong government does NOT mean they use Saddam's way of ruling. Disregarding Iraqis human rights with torture; kill before put on trial and military attacks on whole cities or towns.

    For me a strong government means a government that put the interests of all Iraqis first second and third. A strong government is one that understands that it is the people it works for and is must listen to its people. A strong government in Iraq for me means one that puts respecting human rights of all Iraqis above all. And a government that would tell Bush and his team take your war of terror out of Iraq.

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  45. Most of the terror that we see in Iraq today came with the US invasion.

    Cheney have said war on terror will be a long war, a generation war or something like that.

    The US have for over 100 years made a lot of nation’s people angry for its meddling and crimes against them.

    The US administration have made it clear they want to fight and they made it clear they will do it in Iraq to save US people from going thru what Iraqis are going thru today.

    That is why I want an Iraqi government who is strong in the meaning that it will tell ANY US administration take your war of terror elsewhere. We are NOT willing to scarify Iraqis for you any longer.

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  46. Good evening everyone,
    its 11:30PM here, and I just woke up, perhaps to say hello and go back to sleep, or perhaps to start working on preparations for tomorrow's classes.

    Speaking of government philosophy and what is/isn't a strong gov., what it should/shouldn't do.. Your expression seems to say that right now the suffering is the result of a weak gov. Well, yes and no, in my opinion. The form is connected to the process. I think there has to be "a working out" of some phychological forces, such as a basic desire for power and an expression of that power, and a resoltion of those actions, BEFORE the next stage can begin. The worry I have is whether this will be part of the healing process or part of causing more wounds between peoples.

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  47. A lot of these posts seem awful callous towards the US Military. I mean I understand if you don't like war or Bush but most of these soldiers are just kids. I can't believe anyone would shrug their shoulders over their deaths. Obviously a lot more Iraqi's have died than Americans in Iraq but let's not forget that it is just as tragic.

    I got this e-mailed to me today because it is Memorial Day in the US. Maybe this will help some of even the most vicious America haters to understand that all death is tragic.

    http://www.talkmilitary.com/bobby.wmv

    http://www.bobbywarns.com/bobby.html

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  48. Anonymous 8:27 PM,
    I understand how you feel. As a human being, I never want to see anyone killed, Iraqis or Americans. That's why I said several times that war is war. You can't just simply say it's tragic. It's far worse than that. I know most of these soldiers are kids but before you said that, did you really think of the children who became orphans because these "kids" killed their parents? Did you also think of the women who became widows just because of that? It's not ideal here. For every action, there is reaction. As a reporter, I've seen many many people who lost relatives or dear ones thinking of revenge. They don't buy what the military says of being "sorry".

    I am sorry that you feel so sad. I feel sad too. But this is war and as it is said, "everything is allowed in war and love".
    I am sorry for every soldier died in Iraq. It’s all Bush and his administration's fault. They are killing your and our people. That's why you all should stand against him and save the soldiers' life from all of this tragedy.

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  49. "these soldiers are just kids"

    Sorry to tell you but when you join the army volentary at the age of 18 you are NOT a kid anymore.

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  50. "Maybe this will help some of even the most vicious America haters"

    anon,

    I think it is time you educate yourself in understanding why people are against your administrations vicious foreign polices and war crimes?

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  51. Bt, oh no you broke the Taboo. You said Bush and fault in the same sentence!

    I wonder if we will get bashed now for saying that? Hmmm ...

    By the way, Maliki deliveres a strong speech today say NO militia are exempt. Even the peshmerga.

    I hope he can push on that. If he does, he will earn the respect, gratitude and loyalty of the Iraqis.

    If he doesn't, they will never believe a word he says and violence will get worse.

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  52. New Question: Pretend you are the president of the united states and sadam is still in power. How do you handle things differently than were done?

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  53. anon,

    This question have been asked so many times and it have been debated even more. I am astonished that people even after 3 years are not knowledgeable enough to come up with another solution then “bomb Iraqis to hell and tell them its democracy”.

    Sorry anon I will not go into the different options. Sure you may be very honest in your question and this is your first time or week talking about Iraq. Meaning you have not read about other solution yet. In that case please do searches on the net, look up old post of bloggers and forums.

    However I will tell you one thing. Today Saddam is behind bars.

    Since then the US administration made it clear that Iraq is the new arena for war on terror. Who gave them that right? They are scarifying Iraqis in war on terror to save US people from having the sort of hell Iraqis have now. THAT makes me furious, and I want them out of Iraq NOW.

    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: How many? (asking about how many terrorists are there in Iraq?)

    AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: I think for the American people to understand ·· well, probably several hundred, probably several hundred. And I think most Americans understand that it's better for us to fight and win this war here than to have to fight it on the streets of the United States.

    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You know, you've said that before. And I want to now play something that you've said, and also President Bush and General Sanchez, along those same lines and get you to respond. Let me put it up right now.

    PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH (From video): There are some who feel like the conditions are such that they can attack us there. My answer is, bring them on. We've got the force necessary to deal with the security situation.

    GENERAL JOHN ABIZAID (From video): This is what I would call a terrorist magnet where American being present here in Iraq creates a target of opportunity, if you will, but this is exactly where we want to fight them. We want to fight them here, we're prepared for them, and this will prevent the American people from having to go through other attacks back in the United States.

    AMBASSADOR L. PAUL BREMER: It's the kind of thing that we've seen before in so many places, and it's something that we have to beat, and I must say, I think we must now defeat it here in Iraq, better to fight it here than to fight it somewhere else like the United States.
    ---------------


    Now back to one of my points for peace:

    "honesty and unity from all of us Iraqis."

    In that I'm including a truth and reconciliation commission.
    http://truth-reconciliation-commission-4iraq.blogspot.com/

    ---------------

    [TAI] "I hope he can push on that. If he does, he will earn the respect, gratitude and loyalty of the Iraqis."

    I hope we'll see his words turn to actions! :)

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  54. Outside now, the orange fingernail of a moon, snipped, clipped from somewhere, and falling through the darkness, I have heard a poet say he saw the orange moon hovering over Baghdad, I wonder about that sight, even now.

    Now that there is a calm on this blog I would like to suggest that anyone can and should put forth their opinion no matter how ill-considered, BUT TO PUT IT OUT respectfully, without aiming to harm anyone. Our souls and our opinions can be considered separately.

    Just like there are Americans who say, "I hate the war but I support our troops". What they mean is they support these "kids" in an abstract innocent way, without their M-16s, because these kids are someone's child. Its too bad they don't include the Iraqi kids out there bombing the American kids. Kids killing kids. This used to happen fairly frequently in the inner city of Los Angeles when I lived near there. Anger, a sense of hopelessness, a desire for revenge for a hurt. I know the context is different. still there are interesting points of comparison. I appreciate Nadia's quote.

    Treasure, in your response to these vast numbers of Americans", I know it gets tiring, but, someone has to do it with patience and charity. I don't mean this condescendingly as though you or anyone innately knows more---it is just that "you are there" and we (myself included) can't imagine waking up and living day by day by day for 3 years at least, inside a movie where the bullets are real. Fortunately, Treasure, you don't have to address every American, because this blog isn't THAT POPULAR, yet ;-)

    I read somewhere of a statistical analysis of all the wars and civil wars, and border conflicts that have been reported because a certain number of lives civilian or military or rebel, and the number of wars have actually decreased since the mid 19th century.

    This didn't count the deaths, just the number of conflicts. This number has steadily gone down. I don't think the US can claim credit for this ;-)

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  55. TAI: I hope he can push on that. If he does, he will earn the respect, gratitude and loyalty of the Iraqis.

    If he doesn't, they will never believe a word he says and violence will get worse.


    Well, that's a start, TAI. I hope you don't expect there to be a magic switch that he can flip to disengage the militias. He's got his work cut out for him in this task so I hope you guys can stay behind him in it.

    edo: and the number of wars have actually decreased since the mid 19th century.

    This study is pretty similar:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4350860.stm

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  56. Rhuslancia, What an interesting name, I'll never remember it though ;-)
    Yes, I was thinking about this fact and my reason for posting it.

    It represents an attitude regardless if people believe it or not. One of my basic premices is that there is a Divine Plan, and I believe that science and statistics are in support of this plan. this is just one example. Science is a belief system just like religion. One can choose whether or not to believe either one. Everyone has a freedom to choose. I think the benefits of believing in the gradual, hopefully permanent reduction of the number of wars, to have the same benefit as the belief in one God.

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  57. Eliminating the militias would be a GREAT step.

    But it simply will not happen.

    Not when half the parties in the government have their own special interests and the militias to back them up.

    Anyway, just how do you ‘disband’ a militia? I mean, they can announce today that the Badr brigade is disbanded. It won’t change the fact that the command structure will still be there, that the basis for reactivating it will be there. Kind of like the reserve component of a national army. You don’t see these soldiers everywhere, because they look like any other civilian. But give a few days notice and they are all in uniform and armed. Militias are even faster.

    I wouldn’t hold my hopes up on this one.

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  58. In trying to make a thoughtful reply to Bruno. Yes, you are correct in looking at it from that perspective. But it isn7t the only perspective. The Japanese philosophy (and probably they adapted it from China ;-) is not to oppose force with force. The militias are a force, and to confront them with edicts is not going to make them go away. They are flowing into a power vacuum created by the US, and a weak central command. So you would agree, probably. Then the government can through some means make their aspriations legitimate. Officially Acknowledge the power they have. Officially recognize their rights, which they will take regardless. Don't oppose them while trying to guide and structure their response into legitimate channels. Shape their force, don't oppose it. Guide it, by feeding it. It doesn't really know where it wants to go ultimately, so give it "advice" for its own benefit. These militias are not individuals, they are groups of people with short term vision. Then serve them by advising their long term best interests. "Make them part of the system" is one way to express this. BUt I am talking about sincerely looking for the militias best interests without hypocrisy.

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  59. Interesting story about Amariyah...

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0601/p01s04-woiq.html

    Any thoughts BT?

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  60. mamaworecombatboots6/02/2006 12:46 AM

    I am so, so sorry for all this loss and pain, both yours and ours.

    What are we doing in your country? Eventually, history will tell the truth, but that will be no comfort to those who have to live through these days. My heart is broken for all the lives lost and I can only pray that someday Iraq will be peaceful and free. That is our hope for you and I pray daily we can find a way out of this.

    This poem gave me great comfort when I lost my mother, perhaps it will comfort your friend.

    THE BROKEN CHAIN

    We little knew that morning
    that God would call your name,

    In life we loved you dearly,
    in death we do the same.

    It broke our hearts to lose you, you do not go alone,

    For part of us went with you,
    the day God called you home.

    You left us with our memories, your love is still our guide,

    And though we cannot see you,
    you are always at our side.

    Our family chain is broken,
    Nothing seems the same.

    But, as God calls us,
    one by one,
    the chain will link again.

    Be safe.

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  61. [edoriver] “Don't oppose them while trying to guide and structure their response into legitimate channels. Shape their force, don't oppose it. Guide it, by feeding it. It doesn't really know where it wants to go ultimately, so give it "advice" for its own benefit. These militias are not individuals, they are groups of people with short term vision.”

    Ah, Judo!

    :)

    You may well have a point that trying to shape rather than confront the militias would be a better option. However, they DO have a long term vision, unfortunately. The Peshmerga are the de facto army of the Kurds, and their aims are clear: an independent Kurdistan. The Badr Brigade is the armed wing of the Dawa and SCIRI types, and they have very definite plans for Iraq – an Iranian aligned theocracy. The Sadrists are more “shapeable”. They have theocratic type goals, yes, but also nationalistic tendencies. I still hold a faint hope that they could be “shaped”. The various other local militias like the neighbourhood watches etc are also imho, candidates for inclusion.

    However, as I have said time and again, I don’t trust this top-down approach the US has taken. It is too easily manipulated.

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  62. Whenever I suggest an idea, say for example the inclusion of the militias into the social structure recognized by the government, my vision of the process occurs within a group of representatives who are sincerely interested in what will be in the best interests of "the people" who live in that community. I don't even want to define them as Iraqi only, though of course they are 99% majority. These representatives would say a prayer to ask God to help them leave their loyalities and obligations and grudges at the door. Everyone is equal, everyone, I mean every social group that has any meaningful size is represented. And they would stay in "that room" or palace grounds with a commitment to talk and listen to everyone. This would be repeated day after day. The greatest social pressure possible would be put on those who refused to participate or who wanted to walk out. The attempt to bring about such a meeting should be repeated like dropping water on a rock, the rock will eventually crack from the flexibility of the water. I read an essay from Pres. Jimmy Carter on the First Camp David summit. I have mentioned only general ideas here. There are many more specific ground rules. There had to be a basic level of trust in the hosts for this to even start. I am sure this kind of idea if not the exact recipe used by Pres Carter can be applied here. It has been used in every culture in the world with success at various levels. Though certainly the political pressures that exist now, probably make such a meeting premature. I am guessing that there are psychological forces of bitterness and anger that yet need to be expressed and exhausted before certain groups will be ready to listen to their mothers and grandmothers plead for dialogue and not bombs...another year or two?

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  63. I have mentioned very strongly that I believe, contrary to the sincere but misguided American philosophy, the individual is NOT the foundation of society. The indiviual is promoted, emphasised, marketed to, catered to, at the sacrifice of all other obligations, it appears. And so you the result is what you have happening in America. And for my (our?) president to say that he wants to give Freedom and democracy to the rest of the world, just shows his ignorance of his own ignorance, which, BTW is a very safe place to be, psychologically ;-) Yet, reluctantly, I must add that I am also a product of the tearing away of the foundations of American society, our generation participated in the glorification of the individual. I too am reaping what in my ignorant folly of hedonistic youth, sewed. I accept the most conservative blasting of our generation, we made a mistake out of our ignorance, and desire "TO BE FREE of social obligations".

    THE foundation of a just and peaceful society is the family, NOT THE INDIVIDUAL! After coming to Japan, and living in what seemed like America of the 1950's for 2.5 years before moving south closer to Tokyo. I realize what America lost as part of the sacrifice for "winning" WWII. We lost our sense of community, for one thing, and yet, we gained the beginning of social justice for all minorities. But I couldn't and still can't appreciate that because I am not an Afro-Amerian. But I can regret the destruction of our communities, in general. Why?
    Because I now think that a healthy family structure, is what teaches the children to learn to love the beginnings of diversity. there are family members that are not the most pleasing people, but the child learns to respect, tolerate, love them because "blood is thicker than water". But from that important experience, the child learns to love, respect, or tolerate the community around them. they go to school to learn to respect, love, tolerate the greater community beyond the neighborhood. this is the way it SHOULD BE. Was it this way in Iraq before we came? I don't know. I can't help but think there was something unnatural caused by the severity of Saddam Husein's rule. People seemed to band together from a sense of shared oppression, but did that create the healthy bonds of brotherhood? So, now is now. It really does no good speculating as I am doing about the past. the What ifs are useless. We must help one another build again, but not from scratch. The problem is that the US military is, I believe, the most useless tool, the most harmful tool, for this healing process. No matter how sincere, as we have said before, yes, there are sincere kids who are just doing their patriotic duty. But they are controled guided by the philosopy of people whose quotes Nadia has found.

    Treasure, I wish you would keep that clip of conversation from Nadia7s post separate and use it again and again when new American bloggers come calling here to repeat their sincere beliefs in the self-sacrificing act, the invasion represents for them. I am suggesting this only to save your time and energy...(probably it will have little effect)

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  64. edoriver,

    This is an amazingly thoughtful blog. I appreciate your insistence on respectful dialogue--when people are screaming no one is listening--and that includes governments also.

    I have a hard time when I read
    Nadia's comments. I understand her anger, when the blackened bodies of Americans were hung from the bridge the anger I felt was appalling. America is a young country with a short memory and many have seemed to forget our purpose for starting this mess was WMD, of which there appear to be none. Now, of course, it is freedom for Iraqis.

    I must say there is a big difference in what the US goverment wants and what the average American wants. I have never agreed with the rationale for this war, and I am far from alone. I served in my country's military for 20 years, and my family has too, for over 200 years. My son is one of those hated US serviceman, though he has he has yet to be called to serve in Iraq. From my viewpoint, we had no business there, though obviously my governemnt disagreed.

    Now we must see it through. Our military is not cut out for this kind of fight. Of course, there is no other way for you to fight us--it makes no sense to stand up in front of a steamroller. The only way to occupy a country is through cold-blooded brutal repression ala the Roman Empire. We have no desire or stomach for that. I can understand it may not seem so from your viewpoint but we seem now to be stuck where you cannot beat us and we cannot win.

    What is in my heart for you is freedom to pursue "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." My son and the other "kids" in your country are young and not really yet deeply concerned with the affairs of the world, but they are willing to risk thier lives for their belief in your freedom. If thier government is wrong, that is not their fault. Believe me, they will carry the scars the rest of their lives, just as you will.

    I wonder if this internet will be the thing that makes this war different than all others. Never in history have we had the opportunity for so much information. I grew up in an era of hiding under my school desk to prepare for Soviet bombs. Now I can converse with you in Iraq. Maybe we can find a way past our governments to peace.

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  65. Mama,
    Sigh, I come every day, and on weekends twice a day. I visit and try to make at least one comment on at least one of the Iraqi blogs or send an email, I have 5 American GI blogs I also visit, sometimes I regret it, I rarely comment, I still read. Why?

    I want to remember, during my daily life here in Japan, I want to feel connected to what is happening in Iraq. And after about 5 months of this kind of activity, it is now true. Just like daily prayers. The voices of these Iraqi blogs, and the faint voice of the GI blogs, and the words of the prayers are never far from my thoughts. Yet otherwise here there is nothing in my life to associate with what is happening in a precious part of the world. This couldn't happen for me without the power of the Internet. Praise God for the Internet! When all of us in our various countries become as connected to one another as the different organs of the SAME body. THen when that happens, and I am certain it will eventually happen, we will take wiser measures than trying to invade destroy--practice surgery..Imagine the kidney, upon learning that the left shoulder has a torn tendon decides on its own to have the shoulder removed ;^)

    I like to imagine that we could all gather together in one place and speak and listen with our hearts. No shouting matches. If someone gets upset, we would remind them of the house rules, "ANY opinion is ok, but it must be presented without personally attacking anyone, and it must be sincere, not just to score points for cleverness, sarcasm, etc., and it must be for the benefit of all." or some rules like that.

    I had alot more thoughts as I read Mamas comments, I feel that I understand her. Sigh. I want to turn to Treasure and say, "How long do you think we will continue hurting one another?" What could Treasure say? There is an answer but the tunnel is still pretty gloomy. The light is out there....somewhere.

    Riverbend has a new posting. a) I think she deserves to be elected to the government ;-) what do you think?

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  66. [combat mama] “From my viewpoint, we had no business there, though obviously my governemnt disagreed.”

    That’s a good start.

    [combat mama] “Now we must see it through. Our military is not cut out for this kind of fight”

    I agree 100% on the analysis of the US military vis a vis the fact that it is one of the worst suited militaries in the world to fight against guerrillas. While I concede that your doctrine of overwhelming firepower makes it virtually invincible against a conventional opponent, against a guerrilla foe it has the opposite effect.

    Now, how do you intend to “see it through”, exactly?

    This invasion has blown the chances for a secular, moderate Iraq to smithereens. It seems that the Sunni religious radicals are taking over the ‘Sunni areas’, just as the Shia religious radicals are taking over the ‘Shia areas’ You might reply that you are fighting the Wahhabis. And I might respond by pointing out that your partners in crime in the government are themselves all theocratically – minded radicals with names like “Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq”.

    Or do you mean seeing it through in terms of stopping a civil war?

    But Rumsfeld has already explicitly stated that the US will not intervene in an Iraqi civil war. And the US inaction when the militias and death squads were running rampant after the Askariya blast backs this up.

    Or do you mean “seeing it through” by reconstructing Iraq?

    Well, I can point out that most of the infrastructure ‘rebuilt’ by the US is either falling apart or fallen to pieces already. And the announcement went out a month or so ago that the ‘reconstruction’ is nearly finished.

    My bottom line is: there is no further reason for the US to be in Iraq, besides the reasons of geostrategic imperial power.

    Besides the bases and the oil.

    If the US was serious about its stated, official positions, it would withdraw, since it is clear they are unattainable.

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  67. Thank you, BT, for telling about such heart-breaking tragedy. You are a very eloquent and moving writer. May all this blood shed somehow be worth it. Take Care. I pray that you and your loved ones be safe.

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  68. I am becoming more convinced that the Internet is like a growing "global mind" of an awakening consciousness. 2006 is still in the very early stages since the birth of the event. There are still a tiny number of people who have access, Even so, there is evidence of opportunities for awareness of mankind's suffering in far away lands, with immediacy, and vividness. We are gradually being drawn in together. The distribution of people with Internet access helps us, and the use of this infernal language English as a medium, works for the short term. This is an important element for other signs to occur. Signs of a growing world peace. I know this sounds crazy to talk about this now, and "here". During my walk yesterday I became most impressed over how the Internet will be a tremendous factor for grass roots co-operation and reciprocity. The main reason for my enthusiasm is that through the Internet we have more options to try to avoid the politicians, and traditional power structures. We always talk about "the people really want this" and "the people really don't want that". Now we can speak directly to large groups of "the people, or peoples"

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  69. mama wore combat boots6/06/2006 1:39 AM

    Bruno

    I can only answer from my own thoughts--I am far from an expert in either politics or the Middle East and I imagine my bias must be clear from my background.

    As a citizen of the US, and as a mother especially, I am appalled at what we are doing in Iraq. I was always skeptical about the WMD,but took a "wait and see" attitude and hoped the government knew something we did not. So, the invasion.

    In America, we average citizens hoped for a quick overthrow and of course, once the bad is out, in will come the good. Justice and democracy will prevail. The good people of Iraq who have been suffering under a despot will democratically elect a goverment friendly to us (because we got rid of the madman and his killing fields)and we can come home quickly and buy our oil from someone who likes us. We really would much prefer to pursue our oil-laden way of life without expensive interference in other governments.

    Incredibly, we apparently didn't expect an insurgency. After all, we change our leaders here in America every 4 or 8 years. The (arguably) most powerful man in the world shakes the hand of his successor in January and goes his way. If the election is contested, (2004)the rule of law will decide, then we will wait for our opportunity to vote the SOB out.

    I must tell you, I can hardly believe I am having these thoughts, let alone putting them to words. I swore to uphold the orders of my President with my LIFE, for 20+ years of my LIFE,
    but I am wondering how we will survive 3 more years of this government. How will we?! How will Iraq?

    It is almost a physical pain to criticize my country. (To you--of course in 20 years in the military I did plenty of complaining :)

    I cannot believe we invaded a country that did not first attack us. I cannot believe we are holding prisoners without due process. I cannot believe we are getting ready to "revise" the Geneva Conventions re: torture. I was in the military during Vietnam. I worked for 4 years for a man who was held prisoner and tortured for 7 years. We do not hack the heads off of prisoners,we do not burn bodies, we do not bury whole villages in the sand, we do not drill holes in the heads of catholics or protestants or Muslims or Buddists, we do not massacre civilians, we do not do these things.

    and yet,... look what we have done. Look what we have done.

    What to do now? We could pick up, go home, fly away, leave our bases in the dust. We've left our bases to burn before. We can build more. I remember those last helicopters leaving Saigon, the desparation of those left behind, the ones who did not make it onto the last train to Clarksville. I remember what came after. So does the woman who now does my nails. Her parents' family was murdered. Her uncle fled on foot across countries to finally make his way here.

    If we take our ball and go home, what will happen to Zayed? To TAI, to TB, to Nadia, to Riverbend? It is not just Bin Laden in our minds, it is Pol Phot. It is your death squads, whoever they are, Shia or Sunni or mere opportunist.

    I pray every day our brave bloggers will not get caught. I pray someone will rise up with the wisdom to guide us out of this mess, to return us to ourselves and to return Iraq to Iraqis. I pray Cheny and Rummy will have heart attacks (just kidding.... not!)

    I am old enough to know that one way or another, this too shall pass. Even here, where streets are made of gold, life is full of pain. I am encouraged by this talking we do. It may not be the answer, but it cannot hurt.

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  70. mama wore combat boots6/06/2006 1:44 AM

    "Riverbend has a new posting. a) I think she deserves to be elected to the government ;-) what do you think?'

    Edoriver,
    I agree. Perhaps if mothers ruled the world there would be no more wars.... ;-)

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  71. mamaworecombatboots6/06/2006 2:04 AM

    Edoriver,
    [Internet togetherness]
    Yes, I agree with you. In the 2004 US presidential primaries, candidate Howard Dean laid new ground with a huge grass-roots fund raising campain almost entirely through the Internet. He raised millions of dollars $5 at a time via "forward this to 10 of your friends." If he hadn't self-destructed with the "Dean Scream" we would all be having a different conversation today. (http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/2004-01-22-dean-usat_x.htm)

    yes!
    How could the net be used to bypass the Rmmys of the world and reach each other? I am sure Bin Laden has it figured out. How to talk and stay safe, how to keep them from finding out what you are talking about? I am sorry, I am not smart enough to know that, but I pray someone is. By the way, thank you for making the effort to blog in English. Of course, no English needed to talk with each other.

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  72. The grass looks greener on the other side, but it will grow green there...oneday.

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  73. Riot Starter!!
    I am glad "to see" you!
    Your blog, this one, Iraq the Model, Baghdad Burning, Hnk, A Star from Mosul, Iraq Blog Count, and Madly in love with Iraq HanoudiLetter. These are my current regular journeys through Iraq. There are a few other side excursions. Its a good thing that these ALL aren't updated so often.

    Some day we'll all really see one another, right?

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  74. Combat mama --

    Your post was very open and honest, and I will try to respond in kind.

    I don’t REALLY know what will happen in Iraq if the US leaves.

    I do know that Iran is going to have a bigger say in matters, and that Turkey might decide to “do” something if it looks like the Kurds are getting out of hand. Whether Iraqis will pull together (as the Iraqi opinion polls seem to indicate) or whether Iraqis will fragment in the event of a US pullout is unknown to me. There might indeed be a series of clashes as the various groups test their power. I believe, though, that no single group has the ability to force it’s will on the rest of Iraqis, and that a compromise will have to be reached in order to govern the country.

    However, the situation as it is right now is simply untenable.

    The US is equipping, arming and training some of the very paramilitary groups which have been implicated in massacres. The very militias which ought to be disbanded, in other words. I’m not saying that the “other” side is therefore clean. I’m pointing out what your country is doing to make the situation worse. The problem with your “protecting the people from Pol Pot” scenario is the fact that you cannot believe that the US would sit back and watch innocent people get massacred.

    Believe it.

    It is happening right now.

    And Rumsfeld has put to words the American doctrine of “not getting involved” in an Iraqi civil war.

    Two brief excerpts to substantiate my position:

    More than 6,000 corpses found in Iraq in five months
    By Kadhem al-Attabi Jun 5, 2006 – Deutsche Press

    “ Iraq's main morgue had never received that huge number of corpses on a daily basis - not since modern Iraq was established in 1920s. According to statistics by Iraq's morgues institute, 6,002 corpses were found in the past five months: 1,068 in January, 1,110 in February, 1,294 in March, 1,155 in April and 1,375 in May. Most of the corpses had gunshot wounds, while others showed marks of burns or electrocution. Morgues institute officials said that since the institute was established in 1927, it had never received such a huge number of corpses as currently, with the daily average now 35 to 50 per day. Before the US-led coalition invasion of Iraq and the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003, the institute used to receive only seven to 10 corpses per day.” //end excerpt

    and

    Rumsfeld: Iraqi troops, not US, to fight a civil war
    By Tom Regan - csmonitor.com - March 9, 2006

    If civil war breaks out in Iraq, it will be primarily Iraqi security forces that will fight it, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told Congress Thursday. […]"The plan is to prevent a civil war, and to the extent one were to occur, to have the . . . Iraqi security forces deal with it to the extent they're able to," Rumsfeld told the Senate Appropriations Committee when pressed to explain how the United States intended to respond should Iraq descend wholesale into internecine strife. // end excerpt.


    The fact is that at the moment the US is contributing to the violence, not diminishing it. Which is why I say over and again, IF the reasons for which you went into Iraq are honest, IF there are no ulterior motives of oil or bases or US hegemony over the Middle East, then you should leave, since you are only making a bad situation worse.

    I think that you should take a look at this link, which details the America I see, and the America that I believe we are witnessing in Iraq. Note the date on the article.

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0304.marshall.html


    I have said from the outset that the aims of the US neocons were always far greater than the mere deposal of Hussein, and that the WMD lie was a pretext for the forceful remodeling of the entire Middle East. Indeed their own writing states that the need for US bases in Iraq “transcends the issue of Saddam Hussein”.

    If my fears and the fears of Marshall are correct, we are at the brink of a far larger and more devastating series of campaigns. Campaigns that will not only put the lives of our Iraqi friends at risk, but also the men and women of the US armed forces as they are used as a blunt tool to force US policy on recalcitrant countries while the wielders sit back in safety observing the results of their little experiment.

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  75. Bruno, Your arguements are well placed, but, if you read carefully Mama's not a no-questions-asked loyal supporter of the US Prez's policies. She does have blood ties to Iraq, for the time being, and that's more than I can say for myself....

    Most of us here and this blog, I suspect ;-), has been identified as resisting the role of US troops. Its easy enough to find blogs where your postings would receive a much, shall we say, "colder" reception.

    Ithink your presentation is called, "preaching to the choir". Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it.

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  76. mamaworecombatboots6/06/2006 11:06 PM

    Bruno,

    Well, sad to say, this article put to words very well the uncomfortable thoughts I have been having all along. I think Marshall may be right in his assessment of this administration's ultimate goals and ways of thinking. We HAVE whacked the hornet's nest and I am so sad to say, we are not the only ones getting stung.

    I think I must disagree with the thought that our ultimate aim is to rule over the Middle East. We must protect our supply of oil, at least for now. At least Bush is not a dictator and his days are numbered. I am certain more level heads will prevail if only "we' can survive until the next election. You must know the voices calling to fire Rumsfeld are gaining volume. Congress will not vote for another war unless Iran does something really crazy and bombs Israel or there is another large terrorist attack in the US. The average American does not like being lied to and the Republicans are in trouble in November. We nearly threw our president out of office because he lied about an affair. It is becoming increasingly clear Marshall may be right. It took a large number of Democrats to vote for this war and they will certainly not do it again.

    The lessons of Vietnam are very deep in our psyche--many Americans are reluctant to level too much criticism at the government when our sons and daughters are in harms way. This happened in Vietnam and an entire generation of veterans was destroyed. Those who managed to escape are determined it will not happen again.

    This is the source of much of my personal unease--it is very hard to say, "I am against the war but I support our troops.' What this really says to the military mind is "I support you, you poor feeble-minded thing who only knows how to follow bad orders and is so simple-minded as to sacrifice all to serve a bad cause ...again."

    So we compartmentalize, focusing on our "orders" and not thinking too deeply about rightness or wrongness. Frankly, in war, you cannot. Thinking like that will get you, or worse, your friends, killed.

    One lesson we seem not to have learned however, is to know who we are fighting. We arm the wrong milita because we cannot tell which is the right one. The Iraqi we trained today to defend his own country may be the same one who comes back tonight to blow us up.

    But I am not in the military now, I am out here and I see we must do this a different way. It is clear we must break our dependence on oil--for our sake, the sake of the Middle East and probably the earth. So I vote and I make my opinion known to my lawmakers, and I reach out places like here.

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  77. Bruno: "There might indeed be a series of clashes as the various groups test their power. I believe, though, that no single group has the ability to force it’s will on the rest of Iraqis, and that a compromise will have to be reached in order to govern the country.

    The six thousand deaths you mention seem to be evidence of this: several groups of similarly powerful & violently bent Iraqis vying for power, endlessly grinding on the population at large. I don't know what a better compromise would be right now, than to support Maliki's gov't as a legitimate source of authority. Maliki has set a "timeline" of eighteen months for the withdrawal of foreign troops. Isn't a "timeline" all that many Iraqis have said they wanted?

    You know what I'd like to see? If you realy think the US presence is causing the continued violence (the whacked Hornets stinging the cr*p out of each other), lobby your elected gov't to show us the door. Instead of six thousand dead bodies, how about six thousand demonstrators in view of your parliament? Or sixty thousand.

    Or how about this: if you really want to stick it to America, stop killing each other. Let Halliburton or KBR build powerplants and improve the infrastructure. Let 'em knock themselves out on America's dime. Develop your oil resources, and sell it. America isn't going to steal your oil (if we were, we would have done it in '91), but we'll buy every drop you sell us. So, sell us your oil and spread the wealth inside Iraq- or sell it to everyone but us and spread the wealth inside Iraq. Nadia thinks that we are perpetuating chaos as a control mechanism. Well, settle down and prosper and we won't be able to control you. That'll show us!

    I think the Iraqi bloggers, the whole lot of 'em, deserve a Pullitzer or Nobel prize or something as a group for bringing us their experiences with this. I keep imagining BT bouncing his kids on his knee several years from now, and telling them the story of his role in Iraq's history. Not that I always agree, though. It's really painful to come here and see TAI's justification for attacks on this or that group- such thinking just seems to support continued bloodshed. Behind every execution, kidnapping, or box of heads is someone or some group who thinks it's a good idea. Someone or some group who has their own justification flowchart that they believe in, and some vision for Iraq's future they feel compelled to impose on everyone else by any means.

    Eventually you may have to consider that the US really is trying to help Iraq succeed. The US-trained Iraqi security forces outnumber MNF by almost two to one right now, and growing. Is this what you mean, Bruno, when you say we're supporting "paramilitary groups"? We're backing the gov't that Iraq chose, which is not the one the US would have chosen on its own. The quote you supplied from Rumsfeld says the US is working to prevent a civil war. If one were to break out, which side would you have us support?

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  78. "I'm happy to see all of you!" This is what I teach my Japanese children to say when they enter my classroom, Same to you.

    Religion. Prayers.
    Someone once wrote that if all it took were prayers, then paradise would have occurred a while back. Think of all the monks in the monestaries saying prayers. think of all the priests, mullas, imams, rabbis, preachers, ministers, bishops, lay leaders, self-appointed- men-of-God, think of all the "God intoxicated bureaucrats" praying, hours and hours, 1 time, two times, 5 times a day, day after day after day. A huge ocean of prayers. I say them. others say they keep BT in their prayers, etc. and ????????????????

    Yes, I know this was one of the issues between the Protestants and the Catholics back in ???? but it bears repeating.

    Because, the Internet is...alot of words, (especially my words here, recently ;-) And what have all these thoughts accomplished????

    We need deeds to connect to the words. I mentioned the quote, that if a man's words outnumber his deeds, then his death is better than his life, a while back. Still true.


    So, I have been thinking, because I had a holiday yesterday from one of the Univ. I teach at. The internet is a kind of global consciousness, but it will eventually have to connect to actions. We would discuss what BT should do ;-) and take a vote and then give him marching orders ;-) ;-) ;-)

    Wish it were that simple. Or maybe Treasure should give us orders ;-)

    So, I was wondering how this would work...just for simplicity sake, take a community in Iraq. we already know some "groups of ill will" use the Internet to coordinate their actions. Do the factions and Ministry of Interior already do the same?? Then all someone has to do is find out by some kind of search engine, right?
    The ones who are strong, EVENTUALLY, wouldn't have to worry whether outsiders intercept their messages or not.

    If fake activities are planned in public access sites in some distant future.Then when future terrorists show up to spoil the party, they become the ones stung.

    I am thinking the sheer numbers of people who will eventually be connected. and the various methods of measuring, analyzing, and sources of information about the environment for monitoring....more robots of various sizes, drink machines, close circuit cameras, passersby with cell phones taking pictures and uploading. traffic monitors, signal monitors, monitors placed in automobiles...all of this connected to the internet. All "to guide"? yes, I know, the question is "Who will be guiding whom?"

    Perhaps this war-situation is helping to bring that about...Of course this won't happen for a number of years, (and by that time Iraq will be a collection of high tech peaceful villages.)

    Well, back to prayers, I wish God were connected to the Internet ;-)
    and He answered email. (to be continued during my next free afternoon.

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  79. [combat mama] “This is the source of much of my personal unease--it is very hard to say, "I am against the war but I support our troops.' What this really says to the military mind is "I support you, you poor feeble-minded thing who only knows how to follow bad orders and is so simple-minded as to sacrifice all to serve a bad cause ...again."”

    Unfortunately the military IS a tool that is supposed to only follow orders. My point is that if somebody misuses that tool for, let’s be honest, evil purposes, then it is the wielder of the tool that is at fault. If I were an American patriot, heck, even if I were a raging redneck, I’d be pretty pissed at the chickenhawks that used that tool for a purpose that they admit it was not suited to (Rumsfeld) and then blame the tool for failure (the current ‘don’t shoot civilians training’ comes to mind.). I’d want the wielders of the tool to be held accountable.

    [combat mama] “One lesson we seem not to have learned however, is to know who we are fighting. We arm the wrong milita because we cannot tell which is the right one.”

    Right there you have shown that you know what you are talking about, and encapsulated the problem of a guerrilla conflict. Let’s be honest. If the English - who share a language, culture and spitting-distance proximity with the Irish – were unable to quell the IRA, then what are the chances of the US pulling it off in a culturally foreign, hostile, Arabic country?

    I can guarantee you 100% that a good portion of the people you are working with (IP, IA, translators) are double agents for the Resistance groups. It’s self evident, given the excellent intelligence the resistance groups enjoy. And I mean, a “terrorist hot tips line” is just asking for misinformation.

    [combat mama] “It is clear we must break our dependence on oil--for our sake, the sake of the Middle East and probably the earth.”

    Well, hallelujah! That’s my position entirely. If the US was not dependent on oil, it would need no reason to intervene in the ME at all.

    However, cynical people like me believe that the US seeks oil control not so much for its own security, but for the leverage it gives over other troublesome competitors, China being a case in point. Using soft power to dominate beats the heck out of sending people out to do it the hard way. I can only hope that the current group of arch-hawks that drive the US right now are sent scramming at the soonest possible moment.


    Rhuslancia --

    Just seen your post. I'll respond later, no time now. Just for the record, and for the sake of honest debate, I'd like to point out that I'm NOT Iraqi. TAI, BT, 24 steps, Zeyad, Nadia etc are, however.

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  80. Rhuslancia,

    when will you get your had out of the ether of ignorance you willingly choose to dwell in because the truth of what is happening in Iraq will make you hate yourself?

    You write so many things, with the air of falseto compassion as if you truly care about Iraq, when we all know you do not.

    How can we prosper when it is the Bush administration that has every step of the way created the necessary tools and environment to ensure that Iraqis continue to fight each other?

    Why is it when BT and 24 and others write of how we got into this mess, you ignore what they say?

    Did you not read when they complained of the sectarianism encouraged in the government?

    Did you not read when they complained that the politicians are themselves corrupted and care nothing for the Iraqi people?

    You want Iraqis to go out and demonstrate?

    Did you forget what happened when a bunch of Iraqis went out to protest for their unpaid wages about a year ago? The Iraqi Army - the army you are so proud that the US trained - shot at them and killed a number of the demonstrators.

    Did you forget in the immediate aftermath of the Askariya bombing when Shia and Sunnis marched in condemnation of the attack, they were pulled over from their cars and dozens of them were kidnapped by god knows who?

    Did you forget all the reports that many in the security forces are themselves the militia?

    Lobby our elected government? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? You really think there is democracy in Iraq so we can write our "MPs" and ask them to ask the American military to leave?

    What kind of dreamscape are you living in?

    The current Iraqi government is comprised of factions who would gladly go to all out war to destroy each other, meanwhile disregarding the plight of the Iraqi people.

    You say I contine to support bloodshed. When you run out of arguments you resort to lying? Typical.

    I have said it here and a thousand other places that I support the Iraqi people. The Shia and the Sunni and the Yazidi and the Kurd and the Assyrian and the Turkmen and Sabaean and every other minority and ethnic entity in Iraq to live in a free, egalitarian, pluralistic society.

    But you do not seem to hear. And no, what I want for my country does not mirror what you want.

    You want to be proven right. That's it. You are frustrated history in the making is proving you wrong. You cannot bear the thought that you are wrong, that the Bush administration is wrong, that the American people are wrong.

    Why didnt you speak up when we told you the Iraq Governing Council was a recipe for disaster?

    Three years ago many of us knew that the Iraq we have now was in the making.

    Because there was a maddening rush to put Iraqi exiles in power, who were later selected for the government, and later themselves selected who would write the constitution, and had amassed such influence that later would be the prime candidates.

    It's really painful to come here and see what I write?

    Maybe it isn't painful that I get a phone call in the middle of the night telling me someone I knew for 26 years was recently kidnapped?

    Maybe it isn't painful that I am told that a teacher who taught me Physics in Baghdad was among the 50 who were recently kidnapped my the ministry of the interior which denied it?

    Maybe it isn't painful that my aunt died because there were no proper medical facilities for her in Iraq?

    Do you know how each one of US is shattered when BT writes of the sorrow he sees? How could you possibly understand when you endorse a brutal occupation.

    You are pained? You? What of our pain? Do you even really care?

    No, you don't. Like I said, it is only about not being proven wrong.

    So, just to make sure I hammer the point home.

    1) The US military in Iraq has proven time and again that it is a brutal occupation force.

    2) The US military in Iraq has proven time and again that it has little to no disregard of Iraqi civilians. All Iraqis are presumed guilty till they are shot dead. Whether their innocence emerges or not is immaterial to the military juggernaut.

    3) The US military has also proven that it is loathe to investigate its own personnel for crimes against humanity.

    Consider that senior Marine personnel knew something was wrong a few days after the tragedy of Haditha happened. But they did not fully investigate till Time broke the story wide open.

    Had the story of Haditha not taken on political elements, it might have dragged on for quite some time.

    4) Justice. This is a universal concept, not a national identity. In America today, we have two groups of people. Those who wish to see justice served in regards to Haditha and the hundreds of other "incidents", and those who believe the US soldiers accused in the Haditha massacres should not be put on trial simply because they are ... US soldiers.

    Some, not all, but some of the people who come here and rant on and on about what they (as outsiders) believe is good or bad for my country having never lived there live in fear of admitting they are mistaken, that they have been misled.

    So, you will see fiery rhetoric from them. It is directly proportional to how badly things are shaping in Iraq.

    The worse it gets, the more they will wave their misguided patriotism on foreign soil.

    The more crimes committed by US troops emerge, the more vehement and desperate their arguments will become.

    I am sorry. The experiences of a US soldier in Iraq brandishing awesome firepower does not mean he has spent time in Iraq. It means he has been on a military tour of Iraq.

    If you really want to understand us, come without your weapons. We will welcome you with open arms. We are known to be a hospitable people. We will share food and tea and talk of sports and things that are common between us.

    But walking in with military boot, nah, sorry, that does not mean you understand Iraq or Iraqis. Not at all.

    The bottom line remains that this is my country no matter in which light you seek to portray me.

    In 10 years from now, the only way you will discuss Iraq is in terms related to how much it has destroyed America's moral and ethical fabric, how much it has lowered America's status in the world.

    You will not remember where Mosul is in regards to Baghdad. You will forget city names like Kut or Kufa or Falluja or Ramadi.

    But, of course, we Iraqis will not forget but this is our country, our land, our people, our soil, our past, our present and our future.

    We did not ask you to invade our country. We did not ask for your soldiers to come to die here. We did not ask them to barge into homes shooting first and ignoring the death they leave in their wake later.

    No matter how many people come here to continue to defend US soldiers and policy in Iraq I would ask you to remember what one Marine general said 10 days ago, he said it is the duty of a marine or soldier to disobey orders if they feel those orders are unlawful.

    Apparently, the killing of women and children is being termed lawful? Is it?

    The Nazis said they were following orders. The Nazis said war was ugly and civilians die.

    These excuses are being used by many now, over and over.

    In the days following Hitler's death and during the Allied administration of Germany, many Germans simply refused to believe there were concentration camps run by the Nazis.

    They refused to believe that Jews, Gypsies, Slavs were put in gas chambers or had become so emaciated they looked like living, breathing skeletons.

    So what did the US Army do? It shuttled thousands of German citizens to the camps. To see first hand the horror. To smell first hand what the German government had done in their names.

    And then, the US Army had the most indoctrinated of Nazi supporters help with burial detail so that they themselves could bury the victims of Nazi oppression.

    Most of those who continue to cheer the war look away when they are shown pictures of Iraqi children with bullet holes in their heads.

    Or the pictures of women clutching their children as they tried to shield them from death - alas, in vain.

    Yes, Iraqis want to see Al Qaeda and all the affiliated terrorists wiped out in Iraq.

    Yes, Iraqis want ALL the foreign filth out. All.

    Foreigners who come to Iraq to help the people, the downtrodden of Iraq are welcome.

    Those who come to oppress us and usurp our wealth are not.

    24, BT, others and I write and post as we do because we have lost ways to express our pains, our disillusionments, our angers.

    We do not post comments to "win" points with silly remarks and asinine quirps.

    It's not a game, it's not a joke. It is our lives that are at stake, it is our futures and the future of our children in Iraq that have gone up in the latest explosion, the latest violence.

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  81. Zarqawi dead? US sources say yes. Check your news, people.

    If so, then good, we can be rid of the so-called Zarqawi terror.

    No more speeches against Shia, Sunni, or anyone else.

    Now get bin Laden.

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  82. BUT, I hope this does not deter or divert attention from the HADITHA MASSACRE.

    That investigation MUST continue. And those responsible for killing Iraqi civilians must be punished.

    This changes nothing about Haditha, Hamdaniya and dozens of other Iraqi towns where Iraqi civilians have been slaughtered.

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  83. TAI: You write so many things, with the air of falseto compassion as if you truly care about Iraq, when we all know you do not.

    Thanks for telling me how I feel, otherwise I might not have known. It is true that most of the people I know who are directly involved in Iraq right now are on the other side of the IEDs your heroes plant but you should allow that it is possible for someone who is neither Iraqi or agrees with you to care about what is happening.

    TAI: How can we prosper when it is the Bush administration that has every step of the way created the necessary tools and environment to ensure that Iraqis continue to fight each other?

    You've previously stated that you, a Sunni, have no desire to kill your friend BT, a Shiite. Even in the face of what you just stated? How can that be?

    TAI: Why is it when BT and 24 and others write of how we got into this mess, you ignore what they say?

    I don't ignore it. That's why I read their blogs, read the comments, and write my own sometimes. BT and 24 specifically fuel my view that Iraq can recover from the violence and have a bright future. They are too intelligent and passionate to be consumed by such darkness. Yes it pains me to read of BT's surrender to the thuggery in Baghdad, but all I can do is write from the complete safety of my home and hope that something develops in Iraq that improves the safety of his home. Right now, I like Maliki. His work is cut out for him, but he's on the right track, and the MNF is on his side.

    Yes, go demonstrate and go lobby. Have the debate in parliament instead of in the bloody streets. Get your views on record instead of on some dvd of snuff films or Jubasquatch propaganda. All politicians are corrupt and self-serving, but it just so happens that it's in their best interest to stabilize Iraq. Their heads are on the line too, you know.

    TAI: "You say I contine to support bloodshed. When you run out of arguments you resort to lying? Typical."

    In your own words:

    Attacks on all foreign occupiers (US, UK, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey) are legitimate. Attacks on Iranian agents are legitimate. Attacks against death squads are legitimate. Attacks on sectarian militia are legitimate.

    Attacks against Arab terrorists are legitimate. Attacks against foreign military contractors are legitimate.

    Attacks on Iraqi civilians are condemned. Attacks on Shia/Sunni mosques and churches are condemned.

    Attacks against journalists are condemned. Attacks against hospitals and medical staff are condemned. Kidnappings in all forms are condemned.

    Beheadings are condemned. Suicide bombings are condemned. Ethnic cleansing of Assyrian villages by Kurds is condemned. Ethnic cleansing of Sunnis by Shia is condemned. Ethnic cleansing of Shia by Sunnis is condemned.


    Sure, you say some of the violence is condemned, but you leave it up to le Resistance to sort out who's who. To a Sunni resistance fighter, the people he blew up at the market are all Shia militiamen. To the Shia executing Sunnis on the street, they are all terrorists. And what if tomorrow's head harvest is foreign military contractors? Is that a push? BT has said the Iraqis know the difference between "terrorists" and "resistance". I maintain that every perpetrator of violence in Baghdad believes themselves to be the latter. If you ask Zarqawi what he is, what would he say? You say you judge Zarqawi by his acts, but he believes you support him as resistance. And so the bloodshed continues.

    If you grant le Resistance the right to kill even the worst of those in your list, US troops, do you acknowledge the right of the Troops to fight back? How about when le Resistance uses innocent civilians as cover? Or do you deny that they do this?

    TAI: "The more crimes committed by US troops emerge"

    ...the more they will be investigated and charges brought where needed. You forget or ignore that abu Ghraib was under internal infvestigation before the media broke it, also the possible pre-meditated murder of an Iraqi in April. I condemn criminal acts by our soldiers too. I wish their conduct was universally moral but it is not. However, I do not use the actions of a squad or a platoon to condemn every single one of the 130k US troops in your country. You bend over backwards to judge le Resistance by their individual actions, but bend over backwards to judge the entire MNF by the actions of a few. You want to believe it so badly that if you happen upon some story about a "US Soldier" binding and executing Iraqi children as an interrogation technique, you take it as the gospel truth no matter how easily the story is debunked.

    TAI: "2) The US military in Iraq has proven time and again that it has little to no disregard of Iraqi civilians."

    TAI, your grammar is usually excellent and even if it weren't I wouldn't attack it because I sometimes have chubby fingers and wandering thoughts. However, I agree with this as you wrote it exactly.

    TAI: "If you really want to understand us, come without your weapons. We will welcome you with open arms. We are known to be a hospitable people. We will share food and tea and talk of sports and things that are common between us."

    I believe this. I only wish there wasn't such a long and grisly list of westerners who have tried it, who have tried to help Iraqis, even worked against the US presence, and found a different reception. You condemn their fate; the perpetrators believe it to be "resistance".

    TAI: "So what did the US Army do? It shuttled thousands of German citizens to the camps. To see first hand the horror. To smell first hand what the German government had done in their names.

    I almost wish that someone would march supporters of le Resistance through the Baghdad morgue to see what was done in the name of resistance. But no, do not do it. The news marches you through it every day. Plus, the Sunni will say the Shia did it and seek revenge and the Shia will say the Sunni did it and seek revenge.

    You and BT have broken that blame/revenge cycle. I do hope your country can too. If I'm "right" you can send me a lollipop or a balloon. If I'm not... just stay safe, BT.

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  84. Well, I guess we all missed our chance to ask Zarqawi if he thought he was reistance or not.

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  85. Wow, TAI wrote more than I did ;-)
    There is alot here in these posts to think about. And probably after the next posting by Treasure, some of these points will need to be repeated.;-) or :-(

    As you can guess, Japan and Iraq shares some common philosophical/social issues, because both are old cultures, though we have to give the nod to Iraq, (by a few thousand years ;-). I imagine that if I lived in any Iraqi town there would be "umpteen" social groups, civic groups, scholars with extra time on their hands, dedicating spare time to preserving knowledge, crafts, buildings, processes of the past of their areas. This is surely the way it used to be in Japan, until after WWII. Now the number and time of people to do this kind of work is greatly diminished, but compared to the USA....
    Every night, it seems there is a news story about an "ancient festival" being celebrated in some place, and some seasons are more crowded than others. You see people who dedicate alot of time making authentic costumes, learning ancient crafts, pracicing certain rituals handed down by some ancient lord for the purpose of something. THIS IS GREAT for tourism. Tourists love this kind of thing. But what does it really do for the society??? The educational system in under yet another revision, or perhaps the revision of the Japanese educational system has not stopped for the past 10 years!! The prime minister said, "The new educational law should be changed to emphasise the learning of the meaning and value of the unique Japanese spirit." Phrased in such a gentle and general way, no one can disagree.

    I believe that the same kind of issue will come up in Iraq in the future when this civil war-like experience blows over...

    I watched this news story and I thought, "The future of civilization will not depend on whether a few dozen ancient rituals or crafts are diminished." The future of civilization will depend on advancing science, and ethics, and human values found in the Holy Books, and the skill to communicate those values, and the spiritual discipline to live by those values, to cultivate the inner self control necessary.
    This is what the changes in the educational curriculum should be emphasising to prepare young Japanese for the future. I would probably say the same thing if I lived in Iraq., maybe. ;-)

    I'm going to try to go out for a walk before it rains.

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  86. [rhuslancia] “Is this what you mean, Bruno, when you say we're supporting "paramilitary groups"? We're backing the gov't that Iraq chose, which is not the one the US would have chosen on its own. The quote you supplied from Rumsfeld says the US is working to prevent a civil war. If one were to break out, which side would you have us support?”

    What I mean when I say you are supporting paramilitary groups is exactly that. People like Adnan Thabit and Abu Waleed who had their own ad hoc groups of militias were incorporated into “special” police groups under US oversight. Not only this, but they were trained and armed to boot. These same groups have a strong connection to the massacres and disappearances of common Iraqis.

    Is it such a coincidence that when we trace the timelines of the Americans reported to be the motivating force behind the death squads, namely people like Negroponte, Casteel and Steele, we find the same modus operandi in their past history? Looking at Latin America, “special” commando groups were likewise recruited, trained and unleashed on the general populace of the ‘resisting’ areas. The general aim was the same: to terrorise and cow the population into submission. Just look at El Mozote for a glimpse of the future.

    A comprehensive series of analyses and discussions on the so-called “El Salvador solution” can be found at these locations:

    http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/archives/2006_02_01_healingiraq_archive.html#114020401267563155
    http://globalresearch.ca/articles/FUL506A.html
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=FUL20051110&articleId=1230

    I’m really proud and impressed by the Iraqi people, who have on several occasions given these “commandos” a bloody nose. Seems that Iraq is a much tougher bone to chew than small Latin American countries like El Salvador and Honduras.

    If “civil war” breaks out … heh, civil war HAS already broken out, with 6000 corpses in 6 months brought into the Baghdad morgue alone. I think that it’s time the US left and stopped supporting ANY side.


    [Rhuslancia] “Sure, you say some of the violence is condemned, but you leave it up to le Resistance to sort out who's who. […] BT has said the Iraqis know the difference between "terrorists" and "resistance". I maintain that every perpetrator of violence in Baghdad believes themselves to be the latter.”

    You have a point here, since I have repeatedly pointed out that this is precisely what the US does: defines it’s enemies as terrorists and foists that definition as legitimate upon everybody else. Every perpetrator thinks the are right … INCLUDING the US. So, doesn’t it make sense, given that with the elimination of Zarqawi your goals are complete, that you should remove yourselves from the equation of violence?

    While I agree that it would be best that everybody stop killing everybody immediately, for whatever reason, obviously that is never going to happen. Which is why I believe that specific communities should start be being responsible for their own security, and then expanding the secure sections to larger and larger units. I truly believe that Iraqis have no genuine reasons to massacre each other, and that once the atmosphere of violence dies down, they will see this. It’s never gonna happen as long as the US is trying to maintain its position in Iraq by turning Iraqis against each other.

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