May 9, 2006

BLACK

“BLACK”! Is it a mere color? In the world, people ride black cars, use black laptops, write in black ink, put on black shoes, etc… But in Baghdad, this word means something else. “Black” hovers over the city. Whatever we see becomes black even if it is red.

Starting from the black funeral banners that decorate almost every street, to the black smoke of explosions that rock the city’s morning like fireworks everyday, and the black shrapnel that pave the roads, “black” became an everyday scene.

The latest violence that rocked the capital left many houses damaged, and mostly with family members wounded or dead. But what is worse is the daily discovery of the dead bodies dumped in the garbage or in the Tigris. This horrible phenomenon left a grave ordeal over the houses of the Iraqi people. The scene of women wearing “black” mourning the loss of a son, a relative, or a friend becomes as black as how life looks like in Iraq. Just today, Iraqi police retrieved the bodies of 11 people, nine of them beheaded, including a 10-year-old boy, in Suwayra, south of Baghdad.

Finding these bodies became an everyday show. Most of the victims are young men in their twenties. Who kidnapped them and who killed them? No one knows for sure. Everyone says something different than the other. Eventually, the lives of the people became so cheap to be even condemned by government officials who are responsible for maintaining security in the country.

Car bombs left the Baghdad looks like a woman with cuts on face, arm and whole body, bleeding asking for help but no one is listening. Her beloved ones are dying one after the other. Like other women, she decided to wear black to mourn herself and the others. She lost everything. She lost her beauty that once was a center of gravity to anyone who wants to have fun.

Every morning, I go to a nearby neighborhood waiting for a colleague of mine to take me to where we work. I do this to escape the notion that someone may discover what I do and where I work. Yesterday, as I was waiting near the intersection for my colleague to pick me up, a man on a motorcycle passed by and yelled at a police man at a nearby police checkpoint. I hold my breath for a second and said “God! I hope he does not blow up himself.” And he did not. It appeared that he was a friend of the policeman and tried to joke with him in this silly way. However, the same policeman along with his other colleagues was killed by a car bomb exploded thirty minutes after I left with my college to work. It exploded exactly where I was standing!

This morning, I took the same route and stood in the same spot waiting for the same colleague. The street was covered with shattered glass of broken windows and shrapnel of the burned and destroyed cars. Buildings, including a famous restaurant, turned out to be rubble. People at the non-functional shabby traffic lights post were gazing in pain. An old man shook his head in despair, a woman put her hand on her mouth in shock looking at the destroyed restaurant and other people were walking carefully on in the street in case a shrapnel or a piece of glass cut their feet. The spot where the car exploded was “black” and the whole street looked black. The everyday street yellow-uniformed cleaners did not show up. They maybe either killed in the explosion or afraid to come in case another explosion crops up as another police checkpoint replaced the one that was attacked.

Despite the pain and the daily death threats, life goes on in Iraq. But, Iraqis are not the same ones a year, two years, or three years ago. They became sad, desperate, tired of being tired, hopeless and full of pain. My friends, who all are in their twenties, and I always try to amuse ourselves but unlike the way we used to. These days, the ghost of kidnappings and killings haunted our minds. We don’t feel comfortable even when we visit each other. Wherever we go, we don’t carry any identification, even the work ones. We don’t trust anyone in the streets. Just in Baghdad, the health ministry announced that 122 young men under the name of “Omar” were killed, most of them is believed were killed intentionally by Shiite militias.

We are not even sure that the men at the checkpoints are policemen or not. Yesterday, the bodies of two journalists working for al-Nahrain TV station were found shot dead in Baghdad. The channel officials said the slain journalists were stopped at a police checkpoint. As usual, the interior ministry denies that and said these men did not belong to them. My guess is that it is either they know that these men belong to them and then lied or they don’t know which is the worst. Armed men move freely in the capital while the ministry does not know. What a disaster.

Summer has begun and all its problems started. It’s been a week now since the one-hour a day of electricity disappeared. Owners of the local generators of the neighborhoods stopped supplying us with power. Their excuse is they are short of diesel to run the generators. We were left helpless enduring a day of 100 F degrees. The worst part is at night. No Iraqi, except the ones inside the green zone, sleeps well at night. Even our nights are “black”…

As a young man, I can endure many things these days as I used to since I was born, but watching my parents’ ordeal is something else. I cannot endure the fact that they are depressed and desperate. Few days ago, my father was so sad. He said he feels he is in a prison, a big prison, called Iraq. My mother, who sometimes feels scared when someone slams the door, was scared few days ago when a car bomb exploded at the corner of the street where we live shattering the glass of the windows. She, my father, aunt, and two cousins were just about to have lunch. They said the house was full of dust blows due to the effect of the blast. The next day another car bomb exploded at the entrance of a famous market near our house. The market was one of my mother’s favorite. It was the last thing she expects to be targeted. One day I told them not to go there anymore. I regretted that as I saw the sad look on their faces. “What can we do? It’s the last place left,” my father said. I had no words to say. I just don’t want to lose them.

138 Comments:

  1. My heart aches and is full of sorrow after reading your account.

    May God have mercy on the people of Iraq.

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  2. Your situation certainly sounds dangerous but you should do something: join the Iraqi Army. That certainly is a more positive step than sitting in front of your computer and complaining.

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  3. anon 10:31 PM

    Baghdad Treasure is telling readers how things are in Iraq. From what I have come to understand when visiting his blog is that he has a lot of readers. So he is getting the information about life in Iraq flowing to the people outside Iraq. This is an enormous good thing to do and absolutely needed today!

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  4. The world needs both journalists and soldiers. Some are better suited for one profession over the other.

    BT provides a great service for those of use who want to know the real story about what is going on in Iraq.

    The news we hear (both good and bad) is filtered through the Green Zone. To have a "man on the street" is extremely enlightening to those of us who want to know how things truly are.

    BT seems to me to be a very reasonable journalist offering his honest opinion and perspective. I have read both positive and negative things about the Iraqi government and the Coalition. More importantly I have read nothing but negative things about the brutality of the insurgents.

    What some of the people who are dead set against this war (or more aptly George Bush) seem to constantly do is portray the Coalition as an evil bunch fighting a lost cause. Even more despicable is their characterization of the terrorists as a group of holy freedom fighters.

    It is people like BT that help all of us on the outside looking in to understand that the while the occupation and the new IG are not perfect there are many, if not most, who are trying to do the right thing. More importantly he helps us to understand that there is nothing noble or righteous about the thugs who murder and "blacken the sidewalks."
    It is this understanding that will help us (the Americans and the Iraqi's) to win this war; at least as much as the folks who are on the frontline killing the terrorists. After all, winning this war means that the terrorists are killed, captured or disarmed, the Coalition goes home the regular Iraqis caught in the middle can go about their lives again. For this to happen depends almost as much on fighting as it does on the resilience and understanding of the people – both Iraqi and American.

    If I have misinterpreted your perspective BT, I apologize. I do not mean to put words in your mouth. I am simply relaying what I have taken from the website and what I come away thinking after I read your entries. I appreciate the chance to read them.

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  5. Since I ended my diatribe by talking about my perspective, I wanted to add just one more thing. I find it interesting that people from both the right (like myslef) and the left read this sight. It is apparent that we often take away feelings. The folks on the left see evidence that the US is evil and we go around destroying countries. Folks like my self are validated in our understanding of the despicable nature of terrorism. How (sadly) fitting that the person in the middle is BT.

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  6. thanks again for posting the truth. the truth is in short supply here in the states but unless someone steals from an irqai blogger we read or hear nothing but "happy news" from our major news networks. peace be with you and yours ---rchsod

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  7. Poor innocent Iraqis. Wait, didn't they rape and pillage in Kuwait? Didn't the murder and make refugges out of 100's of thousands of Kurds and steal their homes? Where does all this symapathy for Iraq come from? They had it coming and their response to the opportunities laid before them leaves them deserving of more of the same. People get the government they deserve and live with the consequences. Take some responsibiltiy (is there a word in Arabic for personal responsibility?). Iraq has been the hemorroid on the anus of the Earth known as the ME for decades...and it would be if the US had invaded or not. Iran would be asserting itself among Shiites in Iraq and Saddam would be furiously seeking weapons of his own hoping he could wipe out Iran before they did him. This imagined alternative universe where all would be rosy in Iraq if only the US had left them alone is pure BS, but if it fits your agenda, grab it and run.

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  8. Anon, you are absolutely right that things would have been anything but rosy if we had left Saddam to his own devices. He had to be taken out and we did that. Now we are simply making sure that Iraq can stand on its own before we leave. Even the harshest war critics admit that if the coalition left tomorrow it would be chaos. If another terrorist regime ended up winning the day we might have to go right back over there. Why not try and get it right the first time? In doing so if we can set up some sort of democracy that is peaceful and prosperous then maybe a couple of these other hostile regimes will be changed w/o our help.

    Of course while all this is going on there are certainly innocent people involved; people who had nothing to do with Kuwait or any other terrorist act. Folks like you and I that are just trying to live their lives. There is no reason why average people living through this don't deserve our sympathy.

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  9. On an individual basis, of course there are many who deserve sympathy--but history has little regard for individuals who live quiet lives. History will have little sympathy for Iraqis as a people. We who are living events may have empathy, but history will care not. Such is/was/will be the world. Our grandchildren may very well use debit cards with the visage of George Bush on them--hell, Iraqis may, too. Do you think those who lived unde the presidency of Truman thought they would ever have a coin with his picture on it? So far, America has come out on top even when it looked the darkest, and I ride a winner until it proves it can no longer go---and by any historical perspective, we are far from losing this round despite the handwringing which is pretty typical historically. When it clearly turns in our favor, watch the scratching and biting as the naysayers climb on the bandwagon.

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  10. As an Australian I find your personal situation moving, especially in regards to your parents. The best advice I can give to you is this: Don't let the bastards win....tell your parents to go about their daily lives (let mum go and enjoy the markets) but be alert to any unusual movement. The Israeli's have been living in fear of suicide bombers for decades but they refuse to allow it to stifle their daily life. Every single Iraqi citizen (regardless of their faith) should pull together and make Iraq a shining example to the rest of the world of what CAN be achieved through self determination and sheer guts. Decent Iraqi's should hunt down those murdering Islamists b*stards(butchering that poor woman journalist and the discovery of the beheaded 10 year old boy in the Tigris river was the final straw for me) and start dishing out the death penality. Iraq will never see peace while these crocodiles roam free...

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  11. If my memory serves me correctly
    The Shia population absorbed
    perhaps 6 months to one year
    of near constant bombings
    of their Mosques and marketplaces.

    As an Iraqi you know more then the
    Western press ... but from the reports we get I estimate that this Shia militia retaliation
    is about 6-9 months long ...

    perhaps The retaliation was more deadly and longer and concurrent
    with the Shia Mosque Bombings ...

    I am simply stating what I estimate from the beginning of the insurgency and that is The Shia population absorbed horrific
    bombings of civilains for a fairly
    long time.

    That said it is imporatant some way some how for Sistani to meet
    with whatever group has authority
    over the Iraqi potion of the Sunni
    insurgency (if there are such people)

    The killing must end and Sistani
    can play a major role ...
    But he needs partners in this process ... If no one can come forward ...if the hatred for Shia
    government is so strong amongst
    the insurgents then Iraq is on a slow path toward an opressive
    Shia government as they are a clear majority.

    I believe US forces will begin to draw down in six months ...
    And Iraq will have its slow deadly
    civil war continue without
    westeners to blame ... Sistani can stop it ... but the insurgents must
    compromise and accept a Shia
    government also

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  12. Saddam ruled with an iron hand ...
    anyone who spoke out and opposed him was either killed or missing.

    Is this true or was this made up
    by westeners?? ....

    When Amnesty international reports
    abuse of prisoners at "Gitmo"
    It is taken as "gospel" ...
    But the same group reported
    300,000 to one million Iraqi killed or missing during Saddams
    35 year rule.

    Now, the point being ...
    If Saddams regime was brutal while
    in power ... showing complete disregard for Iraqi lives ...
    Then certainly his men and most loyal members are going to be more
    brutal now... Iraqi lives mean nothing to the Former Regime
    Elements behind these attacks.

    Huge Massive sweeps through
    Baghdad neighborhoods are necessary ....
    Anyone resisting gets arrested
    anyone hiding explosives or RPG
    etc mandatory 10 years in prison.

    Iraqi police and Army numbers should be sizeable enough to conduct large sweesp with US helicopter support ...

    The cleansing of Baghdad must begin soon

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  13. [texag03]"What some of the people who are dead set against this war (or more aptly George Bush) seem to constantly do is portray the Coalition as an evil bunch fighting a lost cause. Even more despicable is their characterization of the terrorists as a group of holy freedom fighters."

    texag03,
    So you see it that way? Remember that the majority of Iraqis want ocucupation troops out of Iraq, they want the occupation to end. Keep that in mind.

    As for your understanding about people who are against US actions in Iraq, were have you read that they see terrorist attacks done against innocent Iraqis as anything other then terror?

    Right now you are indeed putting words into peoples mouths.

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  14. [anon 4:59]"This imagined alternative universe where all would be rosy in Iraq if only the US had left them alone is pure BS, but if it fits your agenda, grab it and run."

    I haven't read or heard anyone saying everything would be rosy in Iraq if the US had not invaded.

    However things would be a lot less bad that is for sure. I hope you understand the difference.

    I belive that the only solution that will have effects in Iraq is that the occupation ends, get the occupation troops out, no access to bases and not huge US embassy. Give Iraq back to Iraqis and let us take it from their.

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  15. anon 8:15

    The US has already lost in Iraq long time ago.

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  16. Anon 1031,
    Complaining? This is one of the most honest accounts of what is happening in Iraq. It takes alot of balls to be a reporter in Iraq. Honest reporting and free press is just as vital to the reconstruction of Iraq as a honest and unbiased Iraqi Army. Think twice before you suggest a career change to someone when you have very little knowledge of the situation. BT is doing a great service to his country, at the risk of his own life.


    Anon 4:59,
    As a soldier on the frontline, do you realize that this crap that you spew on the internet is getting us killed?

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  17. SITMWY:


    As a soldier on the frontline, do you realize that this crap that you spew on the internet is getting us killed?


    What unit are you with SITMWY? MOS?

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  18. Hi guys,
    Thanks for all the nice words. I am sorry that you had to read this sad entry. All I wanted to say is that we are still suffering and nothing has changed despite the sacrifices that are being paid by Iraqi people and some honest US soldiers whose main aim is to save Iraq, not destroy it. I hope one day these will be part of the history and we all say “we survived”.

    Antar,
    Thank you for your sincere feeling. I felt it as if you were saying it to me.

    Anonymous [10:31 PM] “join the Iraqi Army. That certainly is a more positive step than sitting in front of your computer and complaining.”

    I am sorry to tell you that you don’t even know what you are talking about and whom you are addressing. Me, sitting behind the computer is not to complain. It is to tell the whole the world what is going on in Iraq. Everybody knows that the media, especially the western, does not cover everything simply because it is difficult sometimes. I am a reporter, I put myself in danger every single day to help my country. I am not talking about this blog. I am talking about the paper I work for. I put myself at risk everyday. Do you know why? It is because I want to help my country. This is the way I fight terrorism, not by using actual weapons. My weapons are my notebook and pen. The stories that I and my other colleagues wrote helped a lot of people. There are stories we wrote helped entire families to get a better life. Some families were able to get funds to by the government and NGOs to get jobs and have new houses. This is what we do. We don’t use the computer to complain. We fix problems and help others get better understanding.

    Rchsod,
    Thanks a lot. I am sorry to tell you that your news outlets, especially the TV stations, does not show everything happening on the ground. They always say that there are billions of dollars are being paid by many countries, including the US, but until now, we literally do NOT have electricity, buildings are still destroyed since the war, sewage system is expired, no security, killings and explosion became like drinking coffee in the morning! However, I believe there are some American newspapers that really try hard to reflect the reality away from the Green Zone.


    Anonymous [4:59AM] “Wait, didn't they rape and pillage in Kuwait? Didn't the murder and make refugges out of 100's of thousands of Kurds and steal their homes? Where does all this symapathy for Iraq come from?”

    What you have said here shows how shallow-minded and a mean person you are. You WAIT. The Kuwaitis were not invaded by Iraqi people. Everyone in the world knows that they were invaded by Saddam’s army. He is also the one who killed millions of Kurds and Shiites and also Sunnis [if you don’t know]. I think you are so ignorant to the extent you don’t distinguish between the Iraqi people and the Saddam’s forces that “raped” Kuwait in 1990.


    Anonymous [9:42 AM] “Don't let the bastards win…”

    We will not. Thank you for the advice. we still follow “life goes on” because if not, we will be officially dead.

    Anonymous [10:17 AM] “Saddam ruled with an iron hand ...anyone who spoke out and opposed him was either killed or missing. Is this true or was this made up by westeners?? ....”

    Well that is very true. It was never made by westerners. But do not forget that one day Saddam was the favorite puppet in which they fought Iran with! Do you remember when Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam in 1984?

    “Iraqi lives mean nothing to the Former Regime Elements behind these attacks.”
    Well, that’s very true but they are not the only ones who do not care about the lives of the Iraqi people. Foreign insurgents who entered the country and were free build their cells at the time the American troops were looking for Saddam before he was caught.

    “Huge Massive sweeps through Baghdad neighborhoods are necessary ....Anyone resisting gets arrested. Anyone hiding explosives or RPG
    etc mandatory 10 years in prison.”
    I SUPPORT this 100 %. But the question is: who should do this job? Iraqi army or Iraqi police? Both are not trusted by the Iraqi people. They can do the sweeps and few days later, the ones arrested will be found tortured and shot dead.

    SITMWY,
    Thank you so much. I salute your courage. Being a soldier in Iraq is not easy as well.

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  19. Anon 12:52,
    1st AD and signal. I’ll clarify that statement. When jackass protagonists go on blogs, which in no doubt are read by many Iraqis, and call Iraq “the hemorrhoid on the anus of the earth” and accuse all Iraqis of being murders and rapist, it compromises our mission. This person either isn’t American or mentally ill. Why would anyone want to turn more Iraqis against us? We’ve got the media debating an upside to a civil war. Come on now.

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  20. Iraqi people should ignore immature comments. The vast majority of people in the West want the best possible outcome for the Iraqi people. A stable government. An effective loyal army and police force to secure national borders with the ability to create a safe environment for the civilian population of Iraq. Freedom of religion and respect for all groups. Westerners want Iraq to nation build and give their children a brighter future than they are currently getting now. If all these things come together our troops can come home to their own families. If we were to leave Iraq now the entire country could turn even deadlier than it currently is. We went in....now we have an obligation to finish the job. We at least owe the Iraqi people that much.

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  21. anon 5:23 you owe the Iraqi people to listen to the wishes of the majority and that is end the occupation, get a timetable to leave, that is what the US should do.

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  22. Baghdad Treasure, here is to give an idea of freedom of speach at US universities these days:

    "Roosevelt University of Chicago, IL has fired a philosophy and religion professor for allowing students in his class to ask questions about Judaism and Islam. The chair of the department, Susan Weininger, fired the professor, Douglas Giles, saying that students should not be allowed to ask whatever questions they want in class. Weininger ordered Giles to censor his curriculum, restrict his students’ questions, and to not respond to controversial questions or comments from students.

    Weininger’s said that free discussion in a world religions could “open up Judaism to criticism.” Any such material, she said, was not permissible to be mentioned in class discussion, textbooks, or examinations. Further, she ordered Giles to forbid any and all discussion of the “Palestinian issue,” any mention of Palestinian rights, the Muslim belief in the holiness of Jerusalem, and Zionism. When Professor Giles refused to censor his students, Weininger fired him.

    The Roosevelt Adjunct Faculty Organization (RAFO) filed a grievance on behalf of Giles citing the faculty contract forbidding the university from restricting academic freedom. Roosevelt University Associate Provost Louis Love denied the union’s claim saying that Weininger was entitled, as department chair, to set a professor’s curriculum and that this was not an academic freedom issue, but a “pedagogical issue.” RAFO has appealed the ruling to arbitration, confident that Prof. Giles’ academic freedom was violated and an impartial arbitrator would find this so.

    This case is just one example of a growing trend of right-wing attempts to censor the academic freedom of professors and students. Here, a department chair who called all Palestinians “animals” and says college religion courses should teach that only Jews have a legitimate claim to the land of Israel, has fired a professor whose only “sins” were refusing to teach a biased class and allowing open discussion in his classroom. This can NOT be allowed to stand! "

    From :http://antonyloewenstein.com/blog/

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  23. Nadia, you are quite right when you speak out against the characterisation of Iraqis who oppose occupation as “terrorists”. Agreed, there may be some elements which are more unsavoury than the mainstream effort to eject the Americans. However, does this mean that each and every Iraqi who wants to see the US out of Iraq is a “terrorist” or with Zarqawi?

    No.

    This is a transparent, and ongoing tactic of the US Administration and military in an effort to split anti-occupation Iraqis from their popular base through propaganda and psychological manipulation.

    Let’s take the Zarqawi saga as a prime example of this phenomenon.

    First of all, the US has yet to explain how this supposedly world-shaking menace was allowed to go on living during the years that he spent safely under the US “no fly zone” in Kurdish controlled territory. They have yet to explain to the world at large that Hussein’s regime viewed Zarqawi as a threat and wanted him arrested.

    Now that his group (if indeed he has not been killed, and if his continued existence is not an elaborate US trick) is fighting against everybody, it seems, the US has tied itself up in knots trying to spin events into a pro-US version of reality. First he is heading the Resistance, and is extremely dangerous. Then he is completely inept with firearms, and useless. Then this portable casus belli (who needs almost half a million troops to defeat) turns out to have only about 200 men under his command.

    And still this extremely elusive, ghost-like man escapes all detection, yet continually “forgets” important documents and electronic notes behind in places where US forces are able to capture them. And surprisingly enough, these documents always seem to vindicate whatever worldview the Don Bush mafia is punting at the time. Yep, he’s been exhausted and demoralised since 2004, but yet Iraq is going up in flames. And he still continues to waltz around undetected.

    Does “Emmanuel Goldstein” ring any bells with the readers here?

    It seems that this whole “terrorists” angle is a big stinking red herring, delivered express from the US of A.

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  24. [Anonymous] “ Huge Massive sweeps through Baghdad neighborhoods are necessary .... Anyone resisting gets arrested anyone hiding explosives or RPG etc mandatory 10 years in prison. Iraqi police and Army numbers should be sizeable enough to conduct large sweesp with US helicopter support ...”

    Where do all these CENTCOM propagandists COME from?

    Fact is, “huge massive sweeps” will result in the Interior Ministry death squads (armed and advised by the US through people like Steve Casteel) returning to places like Adhamiya under US air cover. This means thousands of pissed-off Shias running through areas which are populated by people whom these troops HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED to believe are “terrorists”.

    And when the massacres start, the Americans will throw up their hands and say they had nothing to do with them, other than organising, arming and training the bunch. I have to wonder whether people like “anonymous” are in fact aware of this and looking forward to the killing of more Iraqis, or if they are totally ignorant.

    In any case, what will “massive sweeps” accomplish, exactly?

    I mean, any guerrilla with an ounce of sense will not store weapons in his own house. And when the ‘sweeps’ happen, they can pose as civilians will be indistinguishable from anybody else. These wingnuts like “anonymous” show an enormous lack of understanding as to what the true nature of the Iraqi resistance is.

    The truth is that even IF there is no resistance to the sweeps, and even IF there are no killings of innocent civilians, there will be a minimal amount of success in netting resisting Iraqi patriots, since they cannot be distinguished from ordinary people, and in most cases ARE otherwise ordinary people.

    Let’s be straight here: if in 2004 a statistical study showed that to that date 100000 additional Iraqis had been killed (over and above the death rate of the Hussein regime which Anonymous cites) and American leaders (and millions of Americans) are dandy with that, then they will not shy away if additional thousands of Iraqis are killed in the process of subduing Iraq to American interests.

    Divide and rule.

    Conquer and pillage.

    It’s the American way.

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  25. Baghdad Treasure, I agree fully with your comments to that twit who thinks Iraqis 'deserve' to be punished for the invasion of Kuwait.

    Additionally, I would like to add that Iraqis have already been punished for that invasion by ten years of grinding sanctions which killed half a million Iraqi children, many times whatever Kuwaitis were killed by Saddam's invasion.

    Funny that whoever is the culprit for an injustice, it is always Iraqis who have to die in the end.

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  26. Nadia, I did not mean to insinuate that absolutely everyone who is against the war sympathizes with terrorists. That is why I began the statement by saying "some." However I think if you read and listen to many (if not most) of the vehement anti-war crowd you will hear a great many statements about the "noble resistance" and the fact that the US is terrorizing Iraq.

    For example:

    http://uruknet.info/?p=m23197

    http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8245212D-39CC-4E6E-80FF-2E1F29F72BC5.htm

    I have no doubt that Iraqis do not want foreign troops occupying their country. Who would? But if you are insinuating (and I am sorry if I am misinterpreting) that it is this that is leading to the insurgency then it is nothing but counterproductive. It should seem readily apparent by now that the insurgency is leading to the chaos that is prolonging the occupation and the misery of the people stuck in the middle. Groups with their own agendas and/or an axe to grind are using the Iraqi people as cannon fodder in their own holy war or, in other cases, to fulfill personal ambitions. This "insurgency" and "resistance" is providing a convenient excuse for mass murder and terror.

    In any place in Iraq that the situation has made it possible (ie stable), Coalition troops have drawn down and handed more responsibility to the Iraqis.

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  27. SITMWY---getting you killed? Not according to those near and dear to me who are serving in Iraq today or preparing for their second tour. If you think all the Iraqis require to behave civilly is an apologetic and docile occupier, I fear for your safety. It is about them and their culture which has seen nothing but war and dissension for many decades.


    Saddam's forces WERE Iraqis and he WAS Iraq's leader. The Iraqi people allowed him to be in the position to do what he did, they could have ended his reign had they felt moved to do so. It would have been at great cost, but cowardice does not absolve one from responsibility---IRAQIS did the raping, killing, and pillaging. IRAQIS took over the property of Kurds. IRAQIS would be be (and many still are) doing the same things sans Saddam. He was not the casue, he was the effect. The problem then and now is that the good people of Iraq, whatever percentage of the population that would describe, acquiesce in the evil actions of their countrymen and suffer because of it. Face it, learn from it, move on. Look to the Germans and Japanese for guidance on such issues. They learned the lesson, but it came much harder for them than it has for the Iraqis. Maybe that is part of the problem?

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  28. God bless all innocent and honest Iraqis, regardless of thier race, religion or sect. I pray to Allah everyday to end this tragedy they are living in. I left Iraq in 1993 and since then all what I wanted is to go back again. By the end of the day it's the only place that is left for me. I fall in a deep sorrow when i see my country being ripped apart by its people. Please Allah show your mercy to the innoecnt people of Iraq who never hurt anybody. I am sure my ending is coming soon, not because of bombs that are never seen where I live, but from what I see happening in the dearest place to my heart.

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  29. SITMWY,

    Protecting OPSEC of course,

    Would you please give us a first hand description of your units Esprit de corps.

    Friends tell me Iraqis are brave soldiers, is this true? :)

    In general do you feel that your unit has a professional working relationship with the Coalition forces? How about logistics, supporting ops, shared Intel etc?

    The signals/com training you've recieved, is it ongoing?

    From what I hear you guys are doing a great job.

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  30. Anonymous, “It would have been at great cost, but cowardice does not absolve one from responsibility”

    It seems that your poison doesn’t want to stop. Anyway, Iraqis were never cowards. Iraqis, specifically Shiites and Kurds, revolted against one of the most brutal dictators in 1991. I told you that you are ignorant and don’t know anything about history. Hundreds of thousands were buried alive and their remains were found in mass graves after the fall. You’ve seen how Saddam’s forces crushed the heads of those who revolted in 1991. For decades the Iraqi opposition [now the Iraqi government] struggled to kick Saddam’s ass. Hundreds of them were chased by the dictator’s intelligence who killed some of them. So don’t ever dare to open your ugly mouth and say that Iraqis are cowards. They fight, struggle to live and learn. They are not sitting like you on a comfortable couch bitching and mocking their suffering.

    And as SITMWY said, your words are turning even pro-war Iraqis against the US troops. We need to restore the trust among each other, not increase the gap! So fuck off.

    Ghaith, “I am sure my ending is coming soon, not because of bombs that are never seen where I live, but from what I see happening in the dearest place to my heart.”

    Please don’t say that. Our Iraq will be back and you’ll come back and see it again. we’ll do our best to restore its glory and civilizations. This is a hard time, we all know that. Things will never stay as they are. I am leaving Iraq soon to study abroad. After I finish, I will be back to pour my knowledge into my land [Iraq]. Don’t be desperate. There are many young me thinking like me. I know sometimes we get so depressed and wish to die. But, life goes on, pal. Iraq will be back. Mark my word!

    Nadia,
    I think this university should close this department then. If they don’t allow discussions in a lecture, what is the benefit from having this department then?

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  31. Your report made me feel sick to my stomach ... I feel SO TERRIBLE for all the people who have to go through this hell!! Please give your parents a hug from me and tell them, there is someone who deeply cares and loves them! I wish so much I could do something to help ... please watch yourself - as much as any possible! You're doing a fantastic job with this blog!!!

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  32. Treasure,
    I can sense the mixed feelings you get when you read our comments...The Japanese have a very wonderful expression that means "IT cannot be helped." The meaning is much more flexible than the meaning in English, the usual English meaning, The matter is outside my control, is one of the meanings in Japanese.

    So, it is God's will.
    1) any country is just a line on the map, the real country exists in your heart, no bomb or terrorist can take that country away from you (the "you " means all the Iraqi who read these words). This is not one of my ideas, it is the idea of one the mullas most hated novelists. You know who I mean. Anyway, he has some truths, some borrowed, some his own.

    Your country is in your heart, yes you who bemoan the falling apart of Iraq, you have your memories, and you can live inside those memories for the rest of your life. I know alot of whites in my old hometown whose hearts are in the time before the Civil War, when "Blacks knew their place." 125 years have passed by and they, who were not even born in those days, have their "memories" of how nice life was!!

    So what time do you want to live in? Choose.

    Your country is in your heart, and if your country is full of just, kind and friendly people, it probably never really existed anyway. So don't worry keep living a fantasy? No!
    Make the country in your heart a real place. Make the Iraq you believe in true! If you are a vengance seeking Iraqi, make your Iraq a vengance seeking place that will bring hell to the people you have a hatred of. You are not changing anything, this worldalready at least two or three hells, the hell in your heart is no different from what already exists. You won't be noticed.

    Let me return to the other Iraq the one in your heart with warm loving non-prejudiced, peace-loving kind, Shias, Sunnis, Kurds all livingt together in harmony with one another ("why?" I wonder. Was it because of Saddam ;-) Do you need him to appreciate the good in your neighbor . So now that Saddam is removed, does that also remove the motivation to see good in the "stranger" in the next neighborhood?
    Suppose that is your REALity. Then make it so again. But without Saddam this time. Find others to make it so. Dedicate your life to something. Vengance against the CIA? Make it so. As it was before 1991? Make it so. You choose and you dedicate your heart in that direction. I don't have answers. It is all up to you. Afterall it is "your" country. We don't live there/here, do we?

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  33. Anon 859,
    I thought the soldiers at Abu Ghaib were serving time at Leavenworth? If your near and dear bring this garbage, they’ll probably end up in jail too, or lose everything that so much blood has been shed for. Soldiers who carry these ideas have no sense of what the mission here is, or have lost touch with their values. These soldiers are counterproductive. This attitude, even among Americans, is losing this war.

    If this is view of our forces, than were not the people for the job, maybe the UN is. If soldiers are coming over here already with a vendetta, than we’re in trouble.
    They key to bringing stability to Iraq is justice, and because there is no SOFA yet doesn’t mean that we can do as we please. People must be drawn towards solving problem diplomatically, through the democratic process. We can’t fight terrorism with terrorism. And actually, there is a manual coming out on how to encourage insurgents towards democracy rather than combating them.

    Personally, I believe the problem is with the democracy in which was built which isn’t free of foreign influence, and hence fails to win legitimacy among the people. Why they ever replaced General Garner baffles me. The first thing that should have been done is a vote. But there is still the hope in the fact that Iraq will now have a future of voting. Maybe that will appeal to the resistance. The only thing you are doing is ruining the intentions that most Americans have, and further ruining the image of our country.

    This is real life. Thousands and thousands of people are dying here. Don’t forget that while you sit and write this crap. There is a war going on, and it’s not just on the battlefields of Iraq. It’s being fought in the minds across Iraq, America, our military, and across the world. It’s about beliefs. Every person was created equal regardless of origin, race, gender, or religion. Every person has the right to seek god in his own way. Every person has the right to voice his or her ideas freely. Every person has a say in who leads them.

    These are the values we were taught that our country was founded on, and the values that I swore to protect. This is why I thought I was coming here, to bring freedom. If we have lost touch with our values, then all is lost. Iraqis were promised freedom, even if that means freedom from us. Think about what you stand for while you hold Iraqis in contempt.

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  34. Rubin,
    I think you may thing I'm in the IA.

    Honestly, I don't know much about the workings of the IA. I've hung out with them a couple times, and they are good people. We have a very professional relationship with the IA and the IP.

    As for being brave, I feel that anyone who joins a cause that is greater than themselves is brave, no matter how distorted that cause has become.

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  35. *almost feels like hugging SITMWY for not being an arrogant asshole looking down on Iraqis like so many military ppl you read these days*

    I once read part of a blog that was really sick; some tank commander dude apparently finding nothing wrong with making fun at (and with) dead Iraqi insurgents(?). *shivers*

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  36. [anonymous] “IRAQIS would be be (and many still are) doing the same things sans Saddam. He was not the casue, [cause] he was the effect.”

    So could we extrapolate from this that Bush is an effect of the popular opinions of Americans, and not a cause of this despicable invasion himself (together with his clique)? My God, in that case An Italian would be right, you people really are baboons with guns. Please, prove me wrong.




    [Baghdad Treasure] “And as SITMWY said, your words are turning even pro-war Iraqis against the US troops. We need to restore the trust among each other, not increase the gap!”

    This is the fundamental problem with criticising this invasion. There are lots of Americans which are genuinely nice people and who genuinely want to do good in Iraq. I have corresponded with even US soldiers on these internet forums, soldiers who otherwise I would be wishing harm – and I find that I can connect with them and what they say. The words of SITMWY, for example, have a lot of truth to them and resonate with me strongly. It’s really hard wishing that their hummers would hit IED's when I like some of the people. They are being used and abused as tools in this invasion, by people who are higher up and are the true culprits.

    On the other hand, we have to remember the big picture here.

    This invasion was NEVER intended to benefit Iraqis.

    It was intended to maintain and extend US hegemony and to benefit a relatively small clique of American potentates. If Saddam had been just a little smarter, he would have continued buttering up to the US, and then I guarantee you 100% that he would still be in power today and Iraqis would still be saying “yes Saddam”. Do you REALLY think that the US wants a genuine democracy for Iraq?

    Perhaps you are not aware of the magnitude of the looting of Iraqi moneys that the US undertook. Most of the funds earmarked for “US only” companies were IRAQI funds, frozen under the sanctions or taken from the IDF via oil revenues. Realise that US oil companies are lining up for exploitation of Iraqi oil fields because the contracts that they are being offered are so generous that ‘thievery’ might be a better word. Contracts which will allow US control of both Iraq and the rest of the world.

    Realise that the entire Iraqi way of life has been subverted by Bremers 100 orders, orders which have been passed into law via the Iraqi approval of a constitution which most did not fully understand or read. You will be what they want you to be.

    Realise that the US has been playing the sectarian card since the beginning in Iraq, and has been trying to get Iraqis to fear each other more than America. I’m sad, and dismayed to say that this tactic is working.

    These nice Americans are in Iraq to ensure that the master plan is executed.

    Trust individual Americans, sure.

    But never trust their foreign policy.

    It is poison.

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  37. I think I may have been misuunderstood by some, maybe not. Doesn't anyone think that a recognition of Iraq's failures as a nation is every bit as important as the failures of the US of which there is never ending discussion? I am very well aware that many Iraqis are as brave and strong as any people anywhere, and many of them lie in unmarked mass graves at the hands of Iraqis who served Saddam. But the fact is, Saddam existed and could not have done so without the acquiescence of the vast majority of Iraqi people who thought their own personal safety and security in the short term was more important than liberty. Monuments should be built to honor those who stood up to Saddam's regime, and it should be built by those who fled Iraq during that time. I don't think the Iraqi soldiers who deserted in both conflicts did so out of cowardice as much as out of a desire to see Saddam removed and hope for a better future. I wish no harm on any Iraqi, I wish for them securtiy and liberty which is the right of all my fellow human beings. I have a daughter who wears a purple heart from her efforts to give Iraqis those very things. I have spent many hours talking and writing to those who have served in Iraq, and have a pretty good feel for what they have seen. They tell me there are many evil people in Iraq who prey upon a cowering population that was beaten and otherwise terrorized into submission LONG before US soldiers set foot in Iraq. And as long as those people cower and direct their frustrations and anger at those who would help them, the evil will prosper in their midst. I have the utmost respect for those who line up to serve in Iraq's new military and do so for the right reasons. That is courage to be honored by everyone. But unless the good people of Iraq steel their courage and stand behind those who want the same things, it will all be for nothing and Iraq will never crawl out of the hole of corruption and evil which has been its identity as a nation for decades. I object to the constant victimhood status being place upon all Iraqis with never a consideration for how they came to be where they are. Iraq was and is not an innocent nation being beset by the Great Satan, they are culpable in their own fate every bit as much as were everyday Germans and Japanese in the 30's and 40's who led their lives while their leaders schemed. As individuals, I want the best for them and want my nation to help them achieve that just as we did Germany and Japan. As a nation they have not accepted that, and are mired in 'occupation' mentatlity in which the ongoing anarchy thrives. With a daughter due to return for her second tour in two months, I am ready to see Iraqis make some progress for their own sake as well as mine.

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  38. 5/11/2006 5:25 PM Bruno?

    RE: 1st class paranoic Brunhilda Méga pantoufle Corps

    fresh intel:

    America is coming to get YOU!

    *

    SITMWY said,

    Anon 12:52,
    1st AD and signal. I’ll clarify that statement. When jackass protagonists go on blogs, which in no doubt are read by many Iraqis, and call Iraq “the hemorrhoid on the anus of the earth” and accuse all Iraqis of being murders and rapist, it compromises our mission. This person either isn’t American or mentally ill. Why would anyone want to turn more Iraqis against us? We’ve got the media debating an upside to a civil war. Come on now.


    Plz lets give folks more credit for intelligence than that.

    Iraqi's will not extrapolate from one "anonymous" comment on a blog the character, good/bad of anyone group; otherwise what you're saying is that Iraqis are different in someway than everyone else.

    just guessing, the anon 'party' was just "venting" some gas! :)

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  39. Anon never said all Iraqis are murderers and rapists--in fact I made it clear I have great respect for those risking all for noble purposes and honor those who have died in such efforts. I don't support or encourage abuses of those who have not directly engaged in hostilities. What I did say is that Iraq is ultimately responsible for its own fate and the victim mentality does not serve them well. Rather, I propose they face up to the fact that they have allowed their leaders to place them in their current situation, even if all they did was go along to get along. The anolagy to Hitler's Germany and the German people is approptiate, or is it? Would Iraqis be better served by facing up to its abject failure as a society and build a new one, or sould they stand by and point at others? Anyone care to argue that point, or must you continue to take things out of context or wholly fabricate others while stroking the hurt feelings of people with self-inflicted wounds?

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  40. [Bruno]“Additionally, I would like to add that Iraqis have already been punished for that invasion by ten years of grinding sanctions which killed half a million Iraqi children, many times whatever Kuwaitis were killed by Saddam's invasion.”

    Bruno, above that Iraqis have paid millions and still are thru the The United Nations Compensation Commission that was created 91. This is what they did to a country that was under a dictator that was not democratically elected. I wonder will this be the fate of the US? It should be more; they elected the war criminals a second time. When will the world punish treat that nation?

    As for anon 7:24 your nation is doing more harm then good in Iraq. Your nation is a problem in Iraq.

    Bruno wrote it clear:

    “we have to remember the big picture here.

    This invasion was NEVER intended to benefit Iraqis.

    It was intended to maintain and extend US hegemony and to benefit a relatively small clique of American potentates.”

    So please tell your daughter to stop being part of an illigal war. Tell her to quit the US army. She is not making the world better, she is making Bush and his friends richer.

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  41. Oppression*101

    Step 1: Consolidate power and control of corporate, media, government and the legal system under one tightly observed, yet seemingly loosely organized umbrella group.

    Step 2: Using the system developed in step one, pressure education, labor and social services into arenas of conflict which neatly divide and splinter these groups so that intellectual personalities can not move in a decisive direction of their own choosing.

    Step 3: From within the muddle of confusion and fear which you have now created, bring forth a monstrous threat represented by a group which can be easily identified and targeted for violence yet not easily subdued or eliminated.

    Step 4: Eliminate any and all opposition by any and all means necessary, using the funding provided by the people whom you desire to oppress. Focus particularly on discrediting views which attempt to counter your efforts, especially those of the intellectual community.

    Step 5: Keep the people focused on the ruse that you are protecting them from the GREAT-EVIL, while continuing to drain the economy to support those who will keep you in power.

    Step 6: As the inevitable failure of lie built upon lie begins to catch up with your chosen one, prepare another to replace him. Then simply repeat steps one through five and neatly label step six as the will of the people.

    Step 7: Protect the masses from the truth by providing endless illusion and entertainment that shows hope for their future within the design you have created, for the love of truth is the only power which will free the oppressed from the fear which governs them.

    ©Bruce Larson*Moore
    The Last*War

    The 13-Establishments of Truth

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  42. Bruce,

    school of hard luck was it?

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  43. Would Iraqis be better served by facing up to its abject failure as a society and build a new one

    ...................................

    ACTUALLY,BEFORE THAT CAN HAPPEN THE IRAQI PEOPLE MUST ADDRESS THE SECTARIAN HATRED THAT IS SO RAMPANT THROUGHOUT ISLAM. THE SUNNI AND SHIER NEED TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES WITH A SENSE OF DEEP URGENCY. THESE TWO SECTS ARE KILLING EACH OTHER ALL OVER THE WORLD, NOT JUST IN IRAQ. BUT IRAQ COULD ACT AS A CONDUIT FOR CHANGE IF THE WILL IS THERE. ATTITUDES MUST CHANGE. AS A CHRISTIAN, I HAVE WITNESSED A FUNDLEMENTAL CHANGE IN THE WAY CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS VIEW ONE ANOTHER OVER THE DECADES. THE ONLY REAL ANIMOSITY BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS THESE DAYS IS STILL SEEN IN IRELAND. OTHER THAN THAT CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS GET ON VERY VERY WELL. MY SISTER IS MARRIED TO A CATHOLIC GUY AND THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER DENOMINATION. ONE DAY I HOPE TO SEE THAT WITH SHIER AND SUNNI. AFTER ALL THEY ARE BOTH FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM AND THAT SHOULD BE ALL THAT MATTERS. THE OTHERS (KURDS) SHOULD ALSO BE EMBRACED AS BROTHERS AND CITIZENS OF IRAQ. WHAT BETTER WAY TO DEFEAT PEOPLE LIKE ZARQARWI? IF IRAQ WAS UNITED IN BODY AND SPIRIT AGAINST HIS TWISTED VISION OF ISLAM HE AND HIS DARK KILLERS WOULD BE SHOWN FOR THE COWARDS THEY REALLY ARE. IT IS EASY TO BUTCHER DEFENCELESS PEOPLE WITH THEIR HANDS TIED AND BLINDFOLDED. REAL BIG HEROS AREN'T THEY? THE TRUE HEROES OF IRAQ WILL BE THOSE SONS AND DAUGHTERS, MOTHERS AND FATHERS WHO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND LIFT THEIR HAND TO HELP THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS TO BUILD A BETTER FUTURE FOR THE CHILDREN.

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  44. anon 11:47

    You seem to know very little about the Iraqi society before the US invation. The secretarian divistion came with the US invation by promoting it and with the help of so called Iraqis who came with them and wanted divistion too for their own selfish reasons.

    Even Bush talked about federalism before the invation. Now why would he talk about that when it was clear that the Iraqi problem was a dictator not secretarian problems.

    My father is a muslim (sunni) he is married to a Christian. My aunt (sunni) is married to a (shia) and my other aunt got married to a Kurd many years ago too whether he was sunni, sheea or Christian I have no idea. Iraqis are a mix and have always been one way or another.

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  45. [anon] “Doesn't anyone think that a recognition of Iraq's failures as a nation is every bit as important as the failures of the US of which there is never ending discussion?”

    Alright, fair enough. Iraq does have a number of problems as a nation. There are the different ethnicities, there are the different sects, there are different tribes. But the fact is that Iraqis managed to live for centuries with these divisions, and largely managed to OVERCOME them. And most importantly those are IRAQI problems. Not yours. You went and made them your problem, and due to your (US) utter ignorance of the country you exacerbated the small divisions into gaping chasms and have practically torn Iraq apart. ( I’m being generous to you here, and assuming that this was not deliberate. ) Your unilateral invasion not only destroyed the country but also assumed responsibility for Iraq’s problems, including the ones you created. Clearly, you are not up to the task of dealing with them. You should leave.

    [anon] “But the fact is, Saddam existed and could not have done so without the acquiescence of the vast majority of Iraqi people who thought their own personal safety and security in the short term was more important than liberty.”

    Although I agree that Hussein did have a certain degree of support, it is wrong to extrapolate that he had a majority approval. What you are actually saying here is that America has the right to decide unilaterally whether a country is fit for invasion based on America’s idea of whether that country has enough ‘freedom’ or not, the legitimacy of the government notwithstanding. That’s like the USSR sponsoring revolution based on whether a country is Communist enough or not, even if the majority aren’t interested. Or me deciding that America must be invaded because your government is corrupt and that the American people themselves don’t have the sense to overthrow it. Seriously, think about what you are saying.

    [anon] “The anolagy to Hitler's Germany and the German people is approptiate, or is it?”

    Sort of but not really. Hitler rose to power through the democratic system, and furthermore genuinely did enjoy much popularity in Germany (at the start, anyway). The slide to dictatorship began with the war, when he began to claim more and more powers as CIC and the people were too scared to oppose him, like Bush is doing today. Hussein was part of the Baath which overthrew the Iraqi regime by coup, and he outsmarted his rivals to take over from Bakr. No democratic process was involved. Although the ‘paper’ ideals of Baathism probably strike a note with Iraqis, the actual behaviour of the party and the Saddam cult did not. There are VERY few Iraqis that I have run across who still defend the Baath party.

    [anon] “Would Iraqis be better served by facing up to its abject failure as a society and build a new one, or sould they stand by and point at others? Anyone care to argue that point, or must you continue to take things out of context or wholly fabricate others while stroking the hurt feelings of people with self-inflicted wounds? ”

    The ‘can do’ attitude of your post I can agree with. The fact that that attitude is being used to ‘build’ a country according to principles that Iraqis do not share with you I cannot. The shock capitalism introduced to Iraq is a foreign concept. Looking after the less fortunate is an Iraqi trait, yet under US stewardship the food rationing system is being phased out. The majority of Iraqis want a strong state, yet you want a loose ‘federation’. I think that if Iraqis (not Bechtel) were building their country according to their own principles there would be a lot more enthusiasm.


    Bruce Larson Moore –

    Your post encapsulates much of the modus operandi of the Occupation. Congratulations on seeing so clearly.

    Nadia --

    Thank you for addressing the issue of sectarianism. I think you did a better job than I.

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  46. My father is a muslim (sunni) he is married to a Christian. My aunt (sunni) is married to a (shia) and my other aunt got married to a Kurd many years ago too whether he was sunni, sheea or Christian I have no idea. Iraqis are a mix and have always been one way or another.


    YES, I AM WELL AWARE OF INTERMARRIAGE WITHIN THE DIFFERENT SECTS....BUT NOW YOU MUST ALL PULL TOGETHER FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR NATION,ESPECAILLY FOR THE CHILDREN. SHIER AND SUNNI ARE MURDERING ONE ANOTHER AND THAT IS NOT GOING TO HELP IN GETTING IRAQ ON IT'S FEET AND BUILDING A SECURE FUTURE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERY YOUNG SUNNI AND SHIER DEMONSTRATE TOGETHER AND PROTEST THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IT WOULD SEND A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO THE ADULTS RULING EACH SIDE. THINK OF THE MEDIA ATTENTION THAT WOULD GENERATE!!!

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  47. Bruno--of course it is our problem, do you live under a rock?


    Nadia-Islamic sectarian hatred is an artifice of US occupation?-Are Iraqis really that easy? That is absurd logic which is typical of the lack of introspection among the Islamic world. The same sort of thinking that leads to deadly protests of cartoons and cheering of promises of an approaching holocaust and the removal of Israel from the map. The same sort of thinking that is leading us to something much worse than what has gone before. 14th century reasoning among 20th century technology and ability to create mayhem can not coexist for long. One way or another, we are all headed back to the 14th century (or die) or the reticent Muslims will join us here in the real world (or die). Either way, it isn't going to be a peaceful coming together. A segment of Islam of whatever size is at war with the West and US in particular--the president or the Islamic Republic of Iran all but declared war on the US with his letter, which is plain to see for anyone who read it. He did it the Islamic way, calling on us to repent and submit, just as Mohammed would have him do and just as Osama did prior to 9-11. Blame the US all you want, but a REAL war is on the horizon and only Muslims of good intentions can stop it. Reformation is coming to somebody sooner than we like to think, and reformations are never pretty. The useful idiots on the Left will cheer them on and blame all of the atrocities committed by the opposition of 'Capitalists' on the 'Capitalists' themselves (not an original tactic), but that is what they do and it is up to the realists among us to do whatever is neccesary to provide them a world in which the can bitch and moan because the world isn't 'fair'. You know, the world they live in under their rocks.

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  48. Bruno--of course it is our problem, do you live under a rock?


    Nadia-Islamic sectarian hatred is an artifice of US occupation?-Are Iraqis really that easy? That is absurd logic which is typical of the lack of introspection among the Islamic world. The same sort of thinking that leads to deadly protests of cartoons and cheering of promises of an approaching holocaust and the removal of Israel from the map. The same sort of thinking that is leading us to something much worse than what has gone before. 14th century reasoning among 20th century technology and ability to create mayhem can not coexist for long. One way or another, we are all headed back to the 14th century (or die) or the reticent Muslims will join us here in the real world (or die). Either way, it isn't going to be a peaceful coming together. A segment of Islam of whatever size is at war with the West and US in particular--the president or the Islamic Republic of Iran all but declared war on the US with his letter, which is plain to see for anyone who read it. He did it the Islamic way, calling on us to repent and submit, just as Mohammed would have him do and just as Osama did prior to 9-11. Blame the US all you want, but a REAL war is on the horizon and only Muslims of good intentions can stop it. Reformation is coming to somebody sooner than we like to think, and reformations are never pretty. The useful idiots on the Left will cheer them on and blame all of the atrocities committed by the opposition of 'Capitalists' on the 'Capitalists' themselves (not an original tactic), but that is what they do and it is up to the realists among us to do whatever is neccesary to provide them a world in which the can bitch and moan because the world isn't 'fair'. You know, the world they live in under their rocks.

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  49. Anon 5:32

    [Nadia] My father is a muslim (sunni) he is married to a Christian. My aunt (sunni) is married to a (shia) and my other aunt got married to a Kurd many years ago too...Iraqis are a mix and have always been one way or another."

    [anon] "YES, I AM WELL AWARE OF INTERMARRIAGE WITHIN THE DIFFERENT SECTS."

    Really? Your comment at 11.47 says otherwise “THE IRAQI PEOPLE MUST ADDRESS THE SECTARIAN HATRED THAT IS SO RAMPANT THROUGHOUT ISLAM” and your “MY SISTER IS MARRIED TO A CATHOLIC GUY AND THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEMS WITH EITHER DENOMINATION. ONE DAY I HOPE TO SEE THAT WITH SHIER AND SUNNI”.


    Just a note to you; the Kurds have sunni and shia in them too “THE OTHERS (KURDS)”.

    “I WOULD LIKE TO SEE EVERY YOUNG SUNNI AND SHIER DEMONSTRATE TOGETHER AND PROTEST THAT THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. IT WOULD SEND A POWERFUL MESSAGE TO THE ADULTS RULING EACH SIDE. THINK OF THE MEDIA ATTENTION THAT WOULD GENERATE!!! ”

    Ad to this the very important group of Iraqi Christians too! Iraqis demonstrating together for unity, against violence and demanding the withdrawal of occupation troops would surely send a powerful message to the rulers in Iraq and elsewhere!

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  50. Bruno--Seriously, think about what you are saying.

    Please do.

    Iraq has problems? You think? But they overcame the divisions? How? by allowing a brutal despot to stand on their throats, that's how. Iraqis 'elected' to keep Saddam rather than risk the consequences of trying to remove him. Forgiveable and understandable, but the consequences for keeping him may prove to have been worse. Cosequences delayed are often that way. Iraqis take care of their people? Really? Is that why they stood by while Saddam made the sanctions possible? Is that why they could seem to smuggle everything except medicine for children? Cigarretes, porn, weapons, palces--sure--but medicine and food which they could have easily procurred legally, but nothing says 'america is bad" like a starving child. Why give that up?I know, Iraq is a wonderful oasis of civilisation being preyed upon by the great capitalist satan. It's easier.

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  51. [anon 6:55] "Nadia-Islamic sectarian hatred is an artifice of US occupation?-Are Iraqis really that easy? That is absurd logic which is typical of the lack of introspection among the Islamic world."

    Sectarian division was very clearly promoted from day one by the US administration. Its a very known colonizing rule method.

    No one is saying that there were no Iraqis who were sectarian. The Iraqi society is as any other society in that regards. The question is who is promoted? Who is given support to florish?

    I have also heard of Iraqi politicians who came with the US invasion who said what you see today in Iraq with regards to shia this, sunni that and Kurd that as the Bush administration did and does is very new in Iraq. Sadly too many of them went a long with it for personal gain reasons or other stuff I'm not aware of.

    You say its absurd. It’s not absurd at all. We human being have proven many times that with the right conditions we can be manipulated to a lot of things. You set up the conditions in a society and you can make them believe that killing a couple of million Jews will make Europeans life safer, and they did. These were Christians.

    Yes I believe 100% that if unity of Iraqis and what we have in common had been promoted in the same manner the above had been, the outcome would have been a stronger united Iraq!

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  52. Nadia please explain how the occupiers "manipulate" you to kill your own women and children an behead your fellow arab?

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  53. Nadia, we agree, but not on which human beings are being manipulated to evil purposes---probably not the first time that has happened...............

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  54. It all comes down to fundamentalist religion and which one is most suited to the continuation of the species--I know which one i would bet on, though I myself am agnostic.

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  55. Anonymous [6:55],
    I think I have to interrupt you and Nadia. I have to comment here. You said, “Islamic sectarian hatred is an artifice of US occupation?”

    Yes, it is. As an Iraqi living in Iraq, I can assure you that no sectarian strife ever happened in Iraq until the occupation started.

    My aunt is a shiite, she is married to a Sunni Kurd. My sister, a Shiite, is married to a Sunni Arab. My cousin is married to a man whose entire family is a Sunni and never had a Shiite in it till she came. The mother of a friend of mine who is Christian is married to a Muslim. For God’s sake, where is sectarianism here?!

    The people the US brought from exiles brought their hatred and greed to take over everything ignoring all the bonds that mixed Iraqis for centuries. The killings and the daily show up of bodies is the act of gangs belong to political parties and insurgents. It is strongly believed that the Badr Brigade is behind most of the kidnappings and killings in the Sunni areas as this militia is part of the interior ministry forces now. On the other hand, Sunni and foreign insurgents are active on the way to Shiite cities and neighborhoods and do most of the killing and kidnapping their. These are also supported by Sunni political parties that once supported Saddam who also felt they lost everything when the Americans brought the Shiite exiles.

    It is a fact that no Shiite or Sunni civilian kills each other. I am a Shiite and lives in a neighborhood of Sunni majority. I know that my neighbors and my friends [all Sunnis] will defend me and not allow anyone to hurt me.

    The US started this sectarian thing by using the saying “divide to conquer” and that is what is happening, I fact. Like the British who used the same method when they first occupied Iraq in 1920s.

    Nadia, THANK YOU!

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  56. Anonymous,

    In case you haven't noticed there are some* bloggers who are representative of even a wider ME phenomena; that would be the Lunatic Conspiratorial Nincompoops.

    Watch out they're on the loose on this thread!

    [*hint: Brunhilda and Nadia]

    For instance,

    >The absurd and absolutely ridiculous proposition that the USA/Multi-National Coalition is purposely fomenting sectarian violence in Iraq and pitting one group of Iraqis against another.
    eg. Shi'ia vs Kurd vs Sunni vs Turkoman etc.

    Or that killing of non-Arab or murder between Arabs is a new phenomena.



    >another one, [paraphrasing]
    'we can't have more security sweeps in Baghdad by the IA and the Coalition it would only cause more violence.'

    LOL!

    Lucky for us the Nimcompoops spend most of their time hanging upside down in the parallel universe,
    twiddling up new "theories"!!

    *

    Kidnapped Sunnis rescued

    BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. and Iraqi forces Thursday rescued seven Sunni Arab men seized by suspected Shiite militiamen near Baghdad, part of a campaign to suppress sectarian death squads responsible for hundreds of deaths this year.
    The kidnapping was the latest in a wave that is plaguing the country. Many of the abductions are part of the sectarian warfare plaguing the Iraqi capital, home to large communities of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds.

    Iraqi police said the trouble started when dozens of gunmen, some of them wearing military uniforms, raided two Sunni villages near Khan Bani Saad, 25 miles northeast of Baghdad, and abducted 10 young men.

    Village leaders and clerics alerted police and U.S. soldiers, who rushed to the scene, clashed with the gunmen and rescued seven of the hostages, police said. Three others were missing and presumed taken away by gunmen, police said.

    U.S. troops killed at least one kidnapper and wounded another, said Lt. Col. Thomas Fisher, commander of the 1st Battalion, 68th Armor. Some of the hostages had been severely beaten, he told Associated Press TV News.

    More than 30 people were taken into custody, Iraqi police said, and interrogators were trying to determine their identities. Some gunmen told police they belong to the militia loyal to radical Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and had come from Baghdad, Iraqi authorities said.

    Iraq Army Status and Baghdad Security

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  57. America wanted the riches of Iraq and wants to destroy it through the creation of a previously non-existent hatred among religious sects which would lead the Iraqi people to murder and torture each other? ohhhhkaaaay.........makes as much sense as anything else coming out of Arab culture over the last few centuries I guess.


    See? No introspection, no confronting the root problems, hopeless surrender to the status quo as 'victims' of outside forces and denial of historical fact regarding their own faith that they have decided should be THE guiding principle of their society. Who benefits the most from such denial? Maybe the Imams and mullahs who would lose their gig if the people actually looked at what is the greatest cause of their suffering. Literacy and exposure to other ideas seem to be viewed as a threat in Islamic countries. Why is that? We are headed down a rough, steep road which either has a sharp turn or cliff at the end or it. The fanatical idiots ruling the Islamic Republic of Iran are at the wheel and using an old copy of the Koran as a road map. The kids in the back are fighting over who is the biggest heretic, oblivious to the looming plunge. Don't worry kids, we are headed to see the 12th Imam.

    As an aside, you Muslims who might be willing to respond---- did you read Ahmedinajad's letter to the US and wasn't that the Islamic way of declaring war? Repent and submit or die, just as Mohammed taught and just as Osama himself did it? Iraq, the US, the rest of the world needs to look up and see where we are headed. Something has got to give.

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  58. First a little look at some Google statistics:

    - 9/11/01, when people were looking for facts:

    Top 10 Queries Related to Terrorist Attacks - 9/11/01

    1. cnn
    2. world trade center
    3. bbc
    4. pentagon
    5. msnbc
    6. osama bin laden
    7. nostradamus
    8. american airlines
    9. fbi
    10. barbara olson

    - after 9/11, when people were looking for reasons:

    Top 10 Gaining Queries - Week Ending Sept. 13, 2001

    1. nostradamus
    2. cnn
    3. world trade center
    4. osama bin laden
    5. pentagon
    6. fbi
    7. american red cross
    8. american airlines
    9. afghanistan
    10. american flag

    [source: http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist/9-11-search.html]

    5/12/2006 6:54 PM Anonymous said...
    "Nadia-Islamic sectarian hatred is an artifice of US occupation? - Are Iraqis really that easy? That is absurd logic which is typical of the lack of introspection among the Islamic world."

    Anon, who you think are the people responsible for these queries? Well, if you take a look at http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm you will see that North America has 22.2% of world internet usage. Europe has 28.5%. Middle East? 1.8%.
    So answer me: could a ocidental "lack of introspection" be a problem here? After all, the sofisticated and high tech western internet users are consulting a 16th century prophet about a 21st century problem...


    5/12/2006 6:54 PM Anonymous said...
    "14th century reasoning among 20th century technology and ability to create mayhem can not coexist for long."
    The numbers say that you are wrong.


    5/13/2006 6:56 PM Anonymous said...
    "See? No introspection, no confronting the root problems, hopeless surrender to the status quo as 'victims' of outside forces(...)"
    Yes, that is exactly what a lot of americans did when they looked at 9-11 as a predetermined event. And maybe this is the way they look at the Iraq war, as a must-happen thing. And if you were a weapons manufacturer or a oil dealer (or both, as the Carlyle group), would you miss this opportunity to get a good gig on?


    Regards,

    Py

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  59. Dear Baghdad Treasure.
    Let me just give you my regards and deep appreciation for the incredibly important and dangerous work that you do in Iraq today. Though at times you may feel that noone is listening and that noone stands in solidarity with you, please know that there are many of us out here that are and pray for you and your colleagues daily.

    Just on a side-note - could you briefly explain against to me how the sectarian situation was aroused by the bringing in of exiles? I very much want to understand that dynamic and it is hard to find reliable sources out here.

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  60. Treasure,
    This is a great place to come, after baseball. I need a little more reality since here (the part of Japanese society I see every day) is mostly fantasy...I could have said the same about where I was in the US too ;-)

    Today is Mother's Day. What can you give to your mother to make her smile?
    I sent my mother a magazine of young womens' kimono fashions for 2006. Maybe you don't know how nutty Westerners are about kimonos ;-) We can't get enough of seeing them, the pictures are promoting a tradition for young women's first opportunity to be recognized when they reach 21, Coming of Age Day.

    Yes, I know. Americans have to have a special day in order to remember something as basic this ;^) "Seems pretty pitiful. But...that's why we consider ourselves superior to all other countries and cultures". At least this is what I tell my wife to explain my logic.

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  61. Happy Mothers Day endoriver. :)

    *

    Disraeli: There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies and statistics.

    Did you know that if you torture statistics long enough, that eventually they will confess?

    A wantabee statistician extrapolates until he gets a correct result about an obviously wrong proposition and concludes NOTHING.

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  62. dissimilitude5/14/2006 12:37 AM

    Baghdad Treasure, wallah, you are a treasure.

    I love how you put some of the bigots who come here in their place.

    Honestly.

    I especially like how you talked about your family and Nadia did too.

    The exiles you spoke of DID come into Iraq with plans written for them by other powers.

    Chalabi moved by AIPAC (See his brother's involvement with Douglas Feith in setting up Israeli law firms to help business in Iraq).

    Allawi the favorite son of MI5, MI6 and the CIA.

    Hakim is Iran's boy.

    And now we here of increased talk to divide Iraq. Saying that is the only solution.

    Like you, I have many Shia relatives. I am Sunni. Do I wave to them as I go to my Sunni enclave and they go to their Shia enclave?

    Hell, no.

    So, brother keep fighting the good fight. I will be by your side even if I am not in Iraq right now.

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  63. Py,

    following thy logic and lead....


    First a little look at some Google statistics:


    [source: http://www.google.com/trends]

    considering that the top 15% of the elite class in the following countries own or use computers...

    Look which countries turn up in first place for searches on goat sex:


    1. Pakistan

    2. Saudi Arabia

    3. Kuwait

    4. Iran

    5. Egypt

    6. United Arab Emirates

    7. Thailand

    8. VietNam

    9. India

    10. Malaysia



    ************************

    Or man boy sex

    1. Pakistan

    2. Saudi Arabia

    3. Kuwait

    4. Iran

    5. Egypt

    6. United Arab Emirates

    7. Thailand

    8. VietNam

    9. India

    10. Malaysia

    **********************


    So answer me Py, could an oriental's lack of probity be a problem here? After all, here's your "proof", the lists of the sophisticated elites in those countries [In the main Muslim], consulting Google to satisfy their 21st century desires...

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  64. Al Qaida Leaders Caught or Killed, Linked to Saddam's Regime

    High ranking al Qaeda leaders who have been caught or killed have turned out to be former high ranking military or intelligence officers in Saddam Hussein's regime.

    Abdel Fatih Isa - former Iraqi Army officer and al Qaeda emir

    Ahmad Hasan Kaka al-'Ubaydi - Ahmad Hasan Kaka al-'Ubaydi is a former Iraqi Intelligence Service officer, and is now believed associated with Ansar Al Islam affiliate.

    Rafid Ibrahim Fattah - He traveled throughout Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Iraq for the last 15 years, forming a relationship with al-Qaida in 1999. He served as a liaison between terrorist networks, as an operations officer coordinating the activities of the various terrorist groups, and as a security chief for a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan, according to the U.S. military.
    Kurdi moved to Iraq in 1992, joining the Islamic Movement of Kurdistan.

    Muhammed Hila Hammad Ubaydi - aka Abu Ayman, Until his capture, Abu Ayman, the former aide to the Chief of Staff of Intelligence during the Saddam Hussein regime for 30 years, was the leader of the Secret Islamic Army in the Northern Babil Province . Abu Ayman has strong ties to terror leader Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, still considered the head of Al-Qaeda in Iraq .

    Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri - possibly dead, "The former vice chairman of Saddam's Baathist Revolutionary Command Council. He swore fealty to Zarqawi last year and commands a significant element of the Baathist/al Qaeda converts. H has significant links in Syria and is an important source of funding for al Qaeda in Iraq (link)."

    Unidentified man - "The man who was killed was later identified as a retired officer in the Iraqi Air Force serving under the Saddam Hussein regime. The male who initiated the gunfire is a suspected al-Qaeda terrorist for whom the troops were searching, as well as the retired officer's son. "

    Abu Asim - A former Special Republican Guard officer under Saddam Hussein, authorities believe Abu Asim has been active within the insurgency since the fall of the former regime. Associate of Abu Musab al Zarqawi

    Fadhil Ibrahim Mahmud Al-Mashadani, "the former leader of the Military Bureau in Baghdad during the Saddam Hussein regime, was apprehended by security forces in a military operation conducted at a farm in the northeast of Baghdad," a government statement said."

    Abu Talha, also known as Mohammed Khalaf Shkarah al-Hamadani , a key facilitator and financier for al Qaeda, the purported head of Abu Musab Al Zarqawi's terror cell and former member of Saddam Hussein's once ruling Baath Party and a warrant officer in the former Iraqi army

    Abed Dawood Suleiman and his son, Raed Abed Dawood, - Abed was a former Iraqi general believed to be Jordanian extremist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's "military adviser", his son Raed was a former Army captain in the Iraqi army


    ***


    Basra security chiefs accused of terrorism

    The governor of the southern Iraqi province of Basra has suspended the city's police chief, accusing him of links to groups involved in terrorism.

    Governor Mohammed Musabah al-Waili says he is also demanding the resignation of the commander of the Iraqi Army's Basra-based 10th Brigade, General Abdul Latif Thaban.

    "He is not cooperating with us and is being loyal to his politics and not the law," the governor said in his statement, which also suspended police chief Major General Hassan Sawadi.

    Mr Waili says the two security chiefs are suspected of links to "sabotage groups, from outside the city and abroad, that are carrying out sabotage and terrorist attacks".

    "We have noticed that some border guards and some of the leadership in the Army have doubtful links to wanted people," he said.

    The governor also accuses two prominent Shiite clerics of sharing the blame for a recent upsurge in violence in the city and warns of impending attacks against the city.

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  65. At first I thought the use of Google search statistics for rhetorical purposes was absurd, but Rubin has opened my eyes to new possibilities.

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  66. It would seem that nothing has changed much in the Middle East since the days of Lawrence of Arabia....still full of crooks, charlatans, killers and thieves....all bound by a twisted sense of honour amongst men. Quite frankly Dubya is outta his depth on his vsion for this region. Arabs are simply not up to the task of embracing democratic values and never will be while they insist on clinging to tribal allegiences and their so-called honour code.

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  67. With-you-in-mind,

    Thank you for your nice words. It means a lot to know that there are many of you praying for us. Things are getting really bad here. Everyday we go out, we feel we will never come back home alive. The idea of being at risk everywhere and every time is so unendurable. Fear is something that we can’t get used to.

    As for the sectarian tension thing, I will tell you my own opinion in brief as it needs a whole entry by itself. When Saddam’s party came to power, it oppressed Shiites and Kurds a lot starting from arresting and killing anyone of a political interest other than the Baath. Kurds also suffered a lot as their areas were arabized by Saddam and his regime, their sons were killed in fierce battles. In 1991, Shiites and kurds revolted against Saddam but the uprising succeeded in one part only. It was only the Kurds who succeeded in liberating their areas from Saddam’s regime as their uprising was supported by US helicopters while the Shiites were left alone fighting Saddam’s forces at the time and eventually failed.

    When the occupiers came, they brought the exiles-some came on US tanks-and overcame the country. The first thing the occupiers did is that they formed the Governing Council on sectarian basis. Its members have been appointed by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). On 30 July, the Council decided (by a vote of 20-5) that it would have a rotating presidency among 9 of its members (marked in red in the table), with each member serving as president for one month at a time. This system was later abandoned, with all members of the Council taking turns as rotating presidents. Thirteen members of the Council are Shi'a (of whom 5 or 6 are Islamists), five are Kurdish (of whom 1 or 2 are Islamists), five are Sunni Arabs (of whom at least one is an Islamist), one is Christian and one is Turkoman. Twenty-two are male, three are female. At least 9 of the 18 Arab members of the Council have not been based in south-centre Iraq in the period since 1991. At least 8 of the 9 members of the rotating presidency were not based in south-centre Iraq over the 1991-2003 period.
    After that, elections took place also on sectarian basis. Shiites and Kurds won. There is no problem about that at all. But the problem is when the Shiites political parties that were in exiles came to power, they used their power in taking revenge from Iraqis in general. The Shiite militia, Badr, are part of the interior ministry. Most of the members of this militia were sons of exiled and executed people under Saddam. They think only of taking revenge. So they kill Sunnis and say they did not. On the other hand, most insurgents entered Iraq before the war, specifically when the US started threatening Saddam in January 2003. After the invasion, the borders were left loose, intentionally by the occupiers. I say intentionally because they protected the areas and buildings they want only. The majority of these insurgents are Sunnis and extreme Wahabis and Salafis that came from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt and Kuwait. They believe that the Shiites are “infidels” and that anyone works for the government or the occupation is an “infidel”. They started killing Shiite people and forcing them to leave their homes and works in the Sunni areas where they get support from.
    At the end, it was mostly the fault of the US forces. They brought the criminal exiles and paved the way to the foreign terrorists to enter Iraq turn it into chaos.

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  68. Edoriver,
    Thanks for reminding me. I gave my mother a big hug and kiss and told her I will never let her down as long as there is breath in my lungs.

    Dissimilitude,
    Thank you so much for the kind words. I wish I could write about something positive to cheer you up. When such a thing happens, I will run to the computer and write about it immediately without any hesitation.

    The division of Iraq is the worst solution. I was so mad when I saw a stupid US official saying that the only solution is divide Iraq. How stupid he is! He either wants to carry out the project that was planned years ago or he is so ignorant of the histroy and demography of Iraq to the extent that he can’t realize that division will cause more suffering and wars as there are many areas where people are mixed and want to live in one Iraq.

    Anonymous,
    “It would seem that nothing has changed much in the Middle East since the days of Lawrence of Arabia....still full of crooks, charlatans, killers and thieves....all bound by a twisted sense of honor amongst men.”
    There is a saying among Arabs that says “If your house is made of glass, don’t throw stones at others’”. It would seem that nothing has changed much in America since the war in Vietnam and Hiroshima… still full of crooks, killers and thieves. Your men [crooks] killed thousands of Iraqis since the 1991 war. They are known as killers and thieves of the country’s riches. So be careful, one stone my collapse your glass house!

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  69. I should be vacuuming the rooms upstairs ;-)

    May is a cool, cloudy month in Saitama usually. There is a word to describe the color of green that appears in the leaves of the month of May, a kind of new, fresh green. Also the sounds of various birds, besides crows! And vegetables, new green vegetables of various sorts, several you can't find in most of the US supermarkets (don't know about Iraqi markets ;-)

    I gave my wife a Mother's Day present, two books, one is by Haruki Murakami, a really prolific author who is known in the West (I wonder how many of his books are translated into Arabic?) He is a novelist, and non-fiction writer, essayist, and short story writer. I have heard that his name is proposed for the Nobel Prize for literature, (but will not this time). The other book is a critic and novelist, Ryu Murakami. I am sure he isn't translated into Arabic, and probably there is only one or two in English. But he writes about social issues recently. We are concerned here about the drifting nature of the Japanese communities, big and small. They tend to take their lead from what is happening in Hollywood, and Washington D.C. and you know what that means. ;-)

    PS. Please, you red-blooded Americans out there. I don't dislike my country. I was contemplating joining the Vietnam war as a medic, if I had been drafted. I understand my nature more clearly since I moved here. However I am not a believer in allegiance to one piece of dirt, that can only be my tomb. I want to owe my allegiance to OUR kind that exists where ever WE are.

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  70. As for the sectarian tension thing, I will tell you my own opinion in brief as it needs a whole entry by itself. When Saddam’s party came to power, it oppressed Shiites and Kurds a lot starting from arresting and killing anyone of a political interest other than the Baath. Kurds also suffered a lot as their areas were arabized by Saddam and his regime, their sons were killed in fierce battles. In 1991, Shiites and kurds revolted against Saddam but the uprising succeeded in one part only. It was only the Kurds who succeeded in liberating their areas from Saddam’s regime as their uprising was supported by US helicopters while the Shiites were left alone fighting Saddam’s forces at the time and eventually failed.

    When the occupiers came, they brought the exiles-some came on US tanks-and overcame the country. The first thing the occupiers did is that they formed the Governing Council on sectarian basis. Its members have been appointed by the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA). On 30 July, the Council decided (by a vote of 20-5) that it would have a rotating presidency among 9 of its members (marked in red in the table), with each member serving as president for one month at a time. This system was later abandoned, with all members of the Council taking turns as rotating presidents. Thirteen members of the Council are Shi'a (of whom 5 or 6 are Islamists), five are Kurdish (of whom 1 or 2 are Islamists), five are Sunni Arabs (of whom at least one is an Islamist), one is Christian and one is Turkoman. Twenty-two are male, three are female. At least 9 of the 18 Arab members of the Council have not been based in south-centre Iraq in the period since 1991. At least 8 of the 9 members of the rotating presidency were not based in south-centre Iraq over the 1991-2003 period.

    After that, elections took place also on sectarian basis. Shiites and Kurds won. There is no problem about that at all. But the problem is when the Shiites political parties that were in exiles came to power, they used their power in taking revenge from Iraqis in general. The Shiite militia, Badr, are part of the interior ministry. Most of the members of this militia were sons of exiled and executed people under Saddam. They think only of taking revenge. So they kill Sunnis and say they did not. On the other hand, most insurgents entered Iraq before the war, specifically when the US started threatening Saddam in January 2003. After the invasion, the borders were left loose, intentionally by the occupiers. I say intentionally because they protected the areas and buildings they want only. The majority of these insurgents are Sunnis and extreme Wahabis and Salafis that came from Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt and Kuwait. They believe that the Shiites are “infidels” and that anyone works for the government or the occupation is an “infidel”. They started killing Shiite people and forcing them to leave their homes and works in the Sunni areas where they get support from.


    Treasure: this much, as brief as it is, is as good a description I've seen.

    *******************************

    At the end, it was mostly the fault of the US forces. They brought the criminal exiles and paved the way to the foreign terrorists to enter Iraq turn it into chaos.

    *

    From the point of view of an Iraqi, given the aftermath and the turbulent changes after the invasion, I might very well feel the same as you Treasure.

    But not all Iraqis feel that way.

    After the Gulf war I thought it was a crime to abandon the Shi'tes and just leave them to the mercys of Saddam.

    Nevertheless 2 years ago, it was a big mistake to let Muqtada al-Sadr [Tater] with his the Medi Army thugs and the Badr brigade flourish. Shoulda been whacked then.

    What these armed groups will ultimately do is drag things out and delay the New Iraqi Government from standing up which will then delay the US/Coalition from standing down and withdrawal.

    Didn't Saddam btw release all felons from prison before the invasion?

    And don't we know now, from all the newly released Saddam documents that Saddam encourage all sorts of contacts and support many Wahabis, Salafis, Sunni home grown Fedayeen, and Iran proxies in Syria?

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Anonymous,

    At first I thought the use of Google search statistics for rhetorical purposes was absurd, but Rubin has opened my eyes to new possibilities.



    touche...credit, 1 small point! :)

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  71. [anon] “It would seem that nothing has changed much in the Middle East since the days of Lawrence of Arabia....still full of crooks, charlatans, killers and thieves....all bound by a twisted sense of honor amongst men.”

    This comment is SO typical of the retarded, double-thinking war nuts out there – and I can find PLENTY more like it. So now that their great enterprise has gone down in flames (with Iraqis paying the price, as always) it is the Iraqis to blame. I mean, really, you burn the country to the ground, suck out all the wealth and install your own stooges based on sect and ethnicity … and then when the bill hits home, you had nothing to do with it?

    It seems to me that there is a lot of truth to the claims that the American education system isn’t worth a dead rat’s arse, since LOGIC is clearly not taught. Cause and effect is not taught. RESPONSIBILITY is not taught.

    But you know what takes the cake?

    These same people who are now deriding Arabs and Middle Easterners as useless and a bunch of criminals were in 2003 depicting them as poor innocent oppressed white-men-in-brown-skins simply crying out for a plateful of “freedom n’ democracy” the Don Bush style. VERY interesting to note how their blanket rhetoric changes 180’ to suit the circumstances, doesn’t it? Why, one might almost deduce that they are a bunch of raging hypocrites unable to face up to their all too obvious failures, and BLAMING THE VICTIM for the situation.

    It was the bright plan of people like Rubin and that crowd to “make Iraq a battleground” against Al Qaeda in the first place, wasn’t it? I mean, which Iraqi WOULDN’T want to have his neighbourhood turned into a war zone for the nice Americans and the nice Al Qaedists? I propose that AQ and the USA solve their differences in the US or in Afghanistan. Use your own damn countries as a battle ground.

    This statement: “Blame the US all you want, but a REAL war is on the horizon and only Muslims of good intentions can stop it.”

    Is partly true.

    Yes, there are Muslims that want to fight the US. But as usual, you leave the reasons of WHY they want to do so. Bin Laden’s despicable tactics aside, the fact remains that there is a real basis for anger amongst the people of the Middle East (who so happen to be Muslim) at the way the US has interfered in and pillaged their lands and supported their enemies.

    THAT is the cause of your problems.

    THAT is where you must start.

    Even with the blatant arrogance of the US, there are still many Muslims who would be content to live-and-let-live with the US.

    The Wahhabi fanatics are a tiny, tiny minority. Now, whom do you REALLY think this invasion has benefited? Do you think that the moderate Muslims who believe a compromise with the US is possible have benefited … or do you think that the Wahhabis who say the US is after the ME oil, and who say the US wants to kill Iraqis and Muslims, and destroy Islam have benefited? The answer is simple. The Wahhabis win hands down. Their view is vindicated. They were right. THEY are the ones drawing support from every Iraqi that you kill.

    If you want, I can post some real statistics (not Rubin’s Google masturbations) which clearly show that the approval ratings of the US throughout the ME have greatly decreased since the invasion of Iraq.

    The radicals draw power from every blunder you make.

    That’s the truth.

    Go home, fools.

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  72. Baghdad Treasure –

    Thank you for your accurate description on the development of sectarianism in Iraq. It needed to be told. Although there are some people who will still believe whatever they want to. It seems that the only way the truth will stick to some people is if you brand it on their foreheads.


    Nadia –

    I see your logic circuits are working fine. These people have no problem in making two directly contradictory statements in the same breath. I have to wonder at this point whether we may all be wasting our time here.


    Rubin –

    Please continue to serve as the comic relief around here. I mean, AQ-Hussein links? Yeah, that’s why when he was still at large, he called on Iraqis not to trust the “Wahhabis”. That’s why when Iraqi intel heard that Zarqawi was in their sphere of influence they tried to arrest him before he returned to the safety of the US no fly zone. Only the most idiotic person continues to try and somehow TORTURE the facts until they bear no resemblance to reality. Even Cheney, that cement headed ideologue, has backed down. But not Rubin, our Neanderthal buddy. I’m guessing that even if Osama himself released a video especially for Rubin, explaining to him pedantically that he had no relation to that infidel Hussein, that our hairy hero Rubin still wouldn’t recant.

    But here’s an interesting excerpt indicating who the people with REAL links to AQ are:

    Al Qaeda in Kosovo
    By M. Bozinovich – serbianna.com

    “ In 2003, NBC News acquired a videotaped statement of Muhammad Talal al-Jafar al Tallani Ackbar al-Walid, described as al-Qaeda's Deputy Under-Emir for Defensive Intelligence and Holy War Operations, denouncing US and calling for world Jihad against the West. The report then goes on to describe Muhammad Talal as one that was “involved in noteworthy military operations in the past, SERVING IN COVERT OPERATIONS ALONGSIDE THE CIA in Afghanistan and in Bosnia and Kosovo before joining al-Qaeda.” The report cites that American soldiers Lt. Gen. William Boykin and Will Dunham contributed to the report. ” //end excerpt

    I see.

    So it could well be said that the CIA (hence the USA) has OPERATIONAL LINKS with Al Qaeda operatives. Funny that when it serves the interests of the US, even Al Qaeda isn’t so bad.

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  73. "Funny that when it serves the interests of the US, even Al Qaeda isn’t so bad."
    Even the Nazis aren't so bad.

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  74. No extra credit this time fish, just the old standard pantoufle Brunhilda, but you can carry on and continue to be my spell check biyotch, tank kew buddy!

    And since you brought up a certain utility and invention, Yes it's true, we [sic America] have invented just about everyting.

    So, Hey we invented the AQ too.. just so Halliburton could sell AQ action figures at the Big Box Stores and we could dupe you into being against us before you are with us! get it?

    Amused?

    Ok B you're not just a singular figment anymore, Here's a soul brother of yours who on the exact same page.

    Should get that turban on thy pointy head reved UP and Spinning! >:

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  75. The Pentagon has begun to release [to everyone with a computer] some of the thousands of Iraqi government and military documents and media confiscated during Operation Iraqi Freedom. Some have already been translated, but many are in the original Arabic. They were made public in order to allow translation by bloggers and others fluent Arabic. This Pajamas Media blog is a repository for those translations and for commentary (either in text, audio or video) on what the documents mean.

    check out the originals and translate them yourselves.

    The Main repository, 36 pages of links to seprate docs


    All translated Free Republic

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  76. Wow this post has spurred a lot of debate. BT, I read an interview you did some time ago where you said that you had given up blogging when you decided some people just want to validate their own beliefs without considering opposing ideas. I am glad that you decided to come back and offer us your unique perspective.

    While there are some people that are obviously unflinching in their ignorance (whether it is those that make xenophobic generalizations about Arabs or those that prefer anti-American conspiracy theories to reality) there are a great many of us who learn a lot from your entries and the *occasionally* rational comments. Obviously if 70+ people commented on your blog many more have visited. Thank you for providing this forum.

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  77. Just because you are xenophobic doesn't mean they aren't really out to get you--- and the term is highly overused and inappropiately so nearly always. Awareness that there is a significant number of individuals among a certain segment of world's population who would murder as many people like you as their abilities permit doesn't neccesarily make one xenophobic. Recognition that it is a failed society and culture that breeds such contempt for life isn't xenophobia. Watch United 93. Imagine boarding a flight the same day and having an Arabic looking young man sitting next to you nervously fingering prayer beads while murmering something like 'alahuahakbar'...feeling 'xenophobic' yet? No? Watch the movie again. It really did happen and is only a taste of what could come later. I know it is the sophisticated, progressive thing to do, but I can't blame myself or my fellow Americans no matter how hard I try.

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  78. Dear Treasure.

    Many thanks for the synopsis of the sectarian tensions in Iraq and their historical roots. I found it very helpful. In Britain - my home country - they talked about this some during the initial invasion when civilian men seemed to be running alongside the tanks and assisting in the pulling down of the statue. Some of the commentators were explaining that many of the people involved seemed to be Kurds and not residents of Baghdad.

    Since then there has been little discussion about US involvement in bringing-in outside groups. I am going to go back and examine some of the BBC coverage to see if they have done a better job than i am presuming - I moved to the US recently and the coverage seems quite different.

    Thanks again.

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  79. Sigh- Critisizing Islam or arab behaviour is so un-PC these days isn't it? The first thing you will experience is western left wing moonbats who will spit out their 'zenophobia' charges in an effort to silence you. These people are not doing anybody any favours, least of all arabs and muslims in general. Both sides (the west and the east) certainly have legitimate axes to grind. The real challenge will be in addressing these grievences in a balanced way. The way I see it Islam is in deep crisis and the religion desperately needs a urgent reformation to bring it into line with 21st century thinking. Most religions are secular these days and have left their past harsh behavorial practices well behind. The Christian reformaton began not long after the Spanish Inquisition period and is still seeing reformation going on within Catholisism to this every day. It is a pity that Islam didn't run parallel to the Christian model. It is now so bad that we are seeing people decent like Wafa Sultan in hiding and judicial death sentences handed out to individuals for daring to leave Islam for other faiths. Simply Islam needs an overhaul....

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  80. Question:

    How many of the people who come here and talk about Islam or urge reformation in the Quran have: a) lived in a Muslim society
    b) read the Quran in its entirety.
    c) speak and read Arabic?

    hmmm ...

    Another Question:

    How many who come here telling us Iraqis how we should or should not live have a) Lived in Iraq prior to the illegal invasion
    b) Lived in Iraq after the Iraqi invasion
    c) Have family in Iraq
    d) Have buried a family member(s) due to the US-enforced sanctions and/or killed by violence post-illegal US invasion?

    Hmmm ... it gets kinds thin, after a while, when you filter all the trash out and find that very, very few people are actually qualified to criticize us.

    They think they can invade us and then dictate to us.

    I think the downing of the helicopter today gives you a hint how many Iraqis are actually paying attention to the Oprah-inspired, babbling Bush-invoking drivel.

    But Yallah, go on, insult when backed up against a wall, because at the end of the day, that is all most of the racists who come here can do.

    Ridicule and insult, showing us how crass they really are.

    Keep it up. The population of the world is over 7 Billion, not 280 million.

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  81. What a debate here! But I think there is no need for complication. The question is simple. We americans want the control of the oil reserves to mantain our society in good shape. We have the most powerful military force. So, we take what we want and who opposes us dies. It's simple. A lot of people are trying to justify the american actions through complicated arguments, but why such work? We dont need justifications, we just do it. UN was against the war. So what? We gave then a rapid excuse and headed to war. What did they do? Nothing, of course. WMD weren't found. So what? I read above some entries of people pro-war trying to provide explanations and justifications for our actions. Guys, don't lose your time, because there is no explanation for this other than what I said. And why justifications? We don't need to do this. We have the military power, and it speaks for itself.

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  82. Question:

    How many of the people who come here and talk about Islam or urge reformation in the Quran have: a) lived in a Muslim society
    b) read the Quran in its entirety.
    c) speak and read Arabic?


    I qualify on two counts. I have lived in a muslim society and I have read the Koran. However I must admit I do not speak or read Arabic. Also my daughter is a convert to Islam, so I basically know what I am talking about...and yes Islam needs to reform. If people butcher individuals (especially unharmed civilians)in the most appalling heinious fashion in the name of religion you have a problem. I don't find beheading people with a knife/sword or slaughtering people execution style particulary religious, do you? Do you think Allah is pleased by those screaming 'Allu Aktbar' as they saw the head off a defenceless non-combatant? I don't think so..

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  83. How many of the people who come have lived in a Muslim society and a Secular Country which is predominatly a Christian society. [for comparason]

    I have.

    How many of the people have read the Bible [old testament and new] or the Quran.

    Bible partly, Quran even less.

    How many of the people speak and read Arabic and English and Spanish?

    heh, 2 out of three ain't bad.

    But its really irrelevant now, I blog in Dutch and French now and then, even though I'm not able to read and write but a few words.

    There are several good translation engines out there and they're gitten better all the time, very soon we'll all be able to type on this blog for instance, in each of our own respective launages, yet see each others comments in the language that we choose.

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  84. 1 of dozens of reports over the last 6 months:

    Iran al-Qaeda nexus

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  85. Hmmm. If I were a betting man, I wouldn't put much money down on a translation machine for the Internet in Arabic, Chinese, (or Japanese) anytime soon. Yeah, they keep saying it's coming, heh, heh heh.

    I'm glad someone else is mentioning the importance of reading the Holy Qu'ran. No I haven't read it all either, but, it really pays to study it, rather than just race through it so you can say, "I read the Qu'ran, and you haven't, nya! nya! nya!"

    Finally one might seriously ask what good has reading the Holy Bible or the Holy Qu'an done for either the US or Iraq?" Well, this is a trick question, coming from me. Because I very much believe that we have benefited from both Holy Messengers. However now,........?

    By the way do you in Iraq know of Arum Root, and do you use it in your cooking? It is very popular in Japan. Now its flower is in bloom

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  86. TB__How are you qualified to determine who is qualified? Pointless arguments about how one may be qualified to form an opinion are---pointless. Anyone can have one and anyone can decide whether or not to be informed by that opinion themselves. We aren't issuing fatwa here. Unless you choose to 'submit' to a culture and way of thinking that is absolute and subject to others interpretations and fatwahs, in which case your decision making is pretty much taken care of for you. How many Muslims have read the Quran in its entirety? What percentage of its practioners are even literate in ANY language? Why do the Imams and mullahs have so much influence in Islam? Could it be because Muslims rely upon them to tell them what the quran teaches and don't those Imams have a self interest in making that interpretation as strict and fundamental as possible so they have maximum control over the lives of their servants? Doesn't matter what the Quran says, it is about what its practioners through their leaders BELIEVE it says that matters. And if it tells them to strap on a bomb or hijack a plane or saw off a head (and clearly for some number it does just that), I feel qualified to find that objectionable. I have no doubt that a majority of Muslims find it equally objectionable, but generally they seem much less willing to say so or do something about it. Being closer to it, they have the greatest chance of reforming it peaceably, but they also have the greatest chance of being harmed in the effort. So we are back to the courage thing and the pointing and victimisation culture which leads us all closer to the drain we are circling. We can't reform the culture, we can't coexist with it, so we are left with two options when threatened by it---submit (ISLAM) or fight. That part of the quran I HAVE read.

    I always enjoy having Iraqis telling me that I can have no opinion about the state of the world or Iraq which is at the center of much of the world's attention for the last two decades when they have lived within Iraq under a closed totalitarian state whose information minister was a laughingstock. Sure, you have a perspective and knowledge of life within that nonresidents could never have, but most of you know less about the forces driving your fate than many Westerners, non Arabic speaking, non-Muslims. A world view based upon the latest neighborhood rumour and conspiracy theory does not make one neccesarily better qualified to comment or have opinions on ALL matters Iraqi.

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  87. Opinions are like assholes-everybody has one!

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  88. Of course to understand what the world looks like from another point of view, other than your own is a sign of maturity. This is the process that the child goes through to become an adult.

    The same reasoning process is applied here. The more successfully you can put yourself into another's point of view, the better you can understand what is similar and dissimilar from your own. This is a very basic step towards conflict resolution, between any two people.

    Of course you cannot completely see with the other's eyes, no one suggests that anyone have that kind of standard.

    Having said all that it is logically helpful to understand the religous framework of the person's culture, this influences alot of their motivations, fears, and thinking about causal relationships. If you dismiss the influence of Islam, and the Qur'an upon Iraqi society, where is your logic for doing so? As in any social force there are benefits and degredation from the ideals.

    there are opinions, and then there are facts and opinions about the facts. the two ideas are not identical. One may believe whatever one chooses, however, that belief may not be shared by very many people, and as a basis for determining justice, which is really the bottom line, such beliefs, opinions are useless and will be discarded.

    There is a big difference between Imams and mullahs. To ask such a question is really trying to understand Islam at the most basic level. And it is important! A belief in the Imams is equal to the Christian belief in the return of Christ, or in Buddhism, the return of Maitriya (my misspelling, sorry), or the Jewish belief in the eventual return of the Messaih (is this misspelled also? I have to go to sleep)

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  89. EdoRiver,

    I recently read that this year for the first time the number of annual deaths have exceeded the number of births in Japan. So from now on the number of Japanese will be declining. Have the media in Japan been discussing this issue?

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  90. My, my there is a regular stench of arrogance and bigotry here.

    First off, let's address the Islam-bashers and the commentator who thinks his daughter's conversion to Islam means he is a leading expert on the matter.

    When Tim McVeigh did what he did, I don't seem to remember anyone saying WHITE SCOTTISH CHRISTIANS needed to reform.

    When Son of Sam committed his atrocities or the Boston Strangler or Jeffrey Dahlmer or Adolf Hitler or Mussolini did their deeds, no one said Christianity must reform.

    When Baruch Goldstein opened fire on Muslim worshippers in Hebron killing 29 as they were prostrating themselves at dawn prayers, were were all of you?

    Why did none of you say oh Judaism needs reform?

    How about when a statue was erected for this man, where were all of you?

    Do any of you even know of the racist policies of the Jewish states?

    How many of you pondered the recent Israeli Supreme Court to keep Arab/Jewish Israeli spouses apart because of "security concerns"?

    Is that democracy at work?

    How about Sao Paolo, Brazil? Several people were executed, murdered and mutilated. Why aren't any of you saying Roman Catholicism should be reformed?

    If you really want to initiate debate then at least try and cover up your blatant hate for Islam.

    Have you seen me or any of the bloggers here tell Christians in the US how they should lead their lives?

    It is pitiful that you have so much blind hate in your hearts that you take the actions of an extremely minute portion of the Muslim population to condemn all of it.

    If we were to engage in that kind of ethnocentric and prejudicial exercise, we would get nowhere.

    How many of you come to our blogs seeking to genuinely learn?

    I would wager the positive is marginal.

    You come to dictate. I did not say people cannot make opinions on Islam, but you dictate with venom.

    A venom bred with racism and dozens of years of anti-Islamic propaganda.

    Why is it we do not hate you the way you hate us?

    Yes, every time you hear an argument you do not like you brand it anti-American or anti-Semitic.

    But that is hardly true. Most of us have no hatred for America or Americans.

    But we hate arrogance. And we hate racism, and we hate Islamophobia.

    And yes, Islamophobia exists.

    Would you like to know why Islamic radicalism exists in this day and age? Because of western policies which established dictatorships in many parts of the world.

    Because of political disenfranchisement and the inability to partake in the socio-political framework of a country, many young were ostracized, left out.

    They turned to a radical form of Islam, a form that is even alien to the tenets of Islam itself.

    Why don't they overthrow their dictators then, the foolish question comes.

    Because those dictators have been entrenched by all-out support by the US foreign policies.

    Just take a look at Egypt, for example. Mubarak has enjoyed supreme status as the number 1 recipient of US aid after Israel.

    Nearly $3billion in various monies and aid are channeled to Egypt every year. Your tax money at work to keep a brutal dictator in place.

    Yes, brutal. See, US media doesn't focus on how his security apparatus work. Egypt's security apparatus comes second to the Mossad in the Middle East and trained those of the Syrian and Iraqi Baathist regimes.

    US tax money at work.

    Mubarak has all but destroyed the opposition, his police have cracked down on protesters with unprecedented ferocity. Women protesting have been stripped naked, journalists have been beaten viciously, bloggers have been arrested.

    And nary a word from the US state department? Why? Egypt has stable relations with Israel. Egypt has several US military and airforce bases.

    Do none of you find it comical that Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Jordan - brutal dictatorial regimes - were recently elected to the new UN human rights commission, but the US makes a fuss about Cuba and Iran and North Korea?

    So, to the smart aleck who talked about world views, did you know ANY of this?

    How many of you even cared about this part of the world before Bushco told you to look here?

    Recent studies showed most Americans can't find Iraq on a map.

    And yet you dare to tell us how to live our lives. Did we ever tell you to do the same?

    Grow up, stop making nonsensical comments like Brunhilda and so on. How old are you people?

    Is this a joke to you?

    Do you think that scores you points? Only to your vanity and egos.

    Ask yourselves what it is people like BT and I want?

    We want to live in peace. We want to be able to dream about owning a yacht or a pretty girl instead of having nightmares our daughters and sisters were raped by militia or our fathers were dragged out of their cars because of their names on an ID card.

    We want to build and prosper and thrive.

    Yes, Saddam was a brutal dictator who killed many and repressed more.

    But life before the war was better. Saying that does not make us Saddamist. It makes us realistic.

    Saddam is not Iraq no matter what he did, but he was a son of Iraq.

    Zarqawi is not Iraqi, the Wahabis and their ideologies are the work of Saudi intelligence services.

    Most of the violence in Iraq today is foreign-influenced and most Iraqis know it.

    That is why you see Shia and Sunni sons protecting Adhamiya.

    That is why you see my hand in BT's hand and 24 Steps hand and others as well.

    Fayrouz is a Christian but I count her as my sister.

    And there are millions like us and I hope they continue to endure so that the foreign plan to divide Iraq fails.

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  91. Enoriver: Hmmm. If I were a betting man, I wouldn't put much money down on a translation machine for the Internet in Arabic, Chinese, (or Japanese) anytime soon. Yeah, they keep saying it's coming, heh, heh heh.


    the begin: japanese, Arabic etc.

    BETA Arabic to English etc.

    Google Language Tools

    more..

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  92. hey

    Brunhilda is a nice name! fits too!

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  93. When Tim McVeigh did what he did, I don't seem to remember anyone saying WHITE SCOTTISH CHRISTIANS needed to reform.


    That is a very poor effort to excuse the lack of outrage among Muslims for the atrocities committed in the name of their faith. I didn't see many Christian churches turning out in celebration for any of what you managed to come up with and I would bet it was a majority Christian jury that sentenced him to death. When I see Muslims across the globe feel moved to passionately protest when Islamofascists speak of killing 'infidels' and then doing that very thing, instead of furiously burning dvd copies of the acts so they can be openly sold on the streets I might be a little less amused at your words. But go ahead and tell yourself all is well in the Islamic world and society, that seems to working out really well so far, huh? Atrocities in the name of Islam are brazenly committed across the world on a daily basis, yet the only outrage I've seen expressed was when someone published some cartoons depicting Mohammed. So, pictures of Mohammed bad, cutting off heads of infidels and exploding bombs borne by mentally deficients among crowds is, well, face it---at least acceptable to the majority and to be celebrated by a sizable number. Declarations of pending death to the infidels are met with cheers of joy, not jeers. Get serious, please. Is there Islamohopia? Of COURSE? If you are unwilling to submit, then you damn well better be afraid and prepared to deal with what may be thrust upon you---again. Your fellow devout Muslim in Iran declared war on us just the other day, and did it just the way a good Muslim should----repent, submit, or die---isn't that the way it is done? The way it is COMMANDED it be done? That's the way Osama did/does it. Isn't that the way it is preached in many mosques across the globe? Blame it on Saudis, Wahabbis, what do I care? They use Islamic principles, perverted or not, to incite some of its followers to declare war against me and mine and do so for many nearious purposes, but it is effective. That is a problem for me, and I submit it is an even bigger problem for Muslims of good intentions who remain silent or limit their outrage to the victimisation of ME people at the hands of Western powers. The same kind of self pitying bullshit that makes the jihadist tactics inspirational to the ignorant. Only they can stop the spread of the jihadist brand of Islam. Yet, they seem to only speak up in defense of evil and to rationalise that which is the source of their suffering. Which leads me to believe they may well be in agreement with the ideology behind it, or recognize they can not repudiate it without causing a violent split in the faith. And that doesn't seem to be working out to the good, either. Fair has nothing to do with it, but to be fair, we are demanding that those that oppose us submit also. Everbody does to some extent. But I don't think what we are demanding is nearly as onerous as the other side, do you? Form a government, sell your oil at confiscatory prices, pirate our movies, practice your faith and pay lip service to certain aspects you chose to deny---but do not allow your fellow citizens to plot and carry out violent acts against our interests. Is that asking too much? Of course that is only my opinion, and I may be the sole holder---but you better not believe that.

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  94. Have you ever seen a debate on this issue in Arab media?

    Have you read Arab commentators talk of the "atrocities in the name of Islam"?

    Do you even know what kind of discourse is going on in the Muslim world?

    It is the bigotry, the narrow-minded vision of blaming 1.5 billion muslims for the actions of the extremely few that creates more enemies for you.

    But in your arrogance you cannot see it.

    The more policy-makers continue to attack ALL muslims the more they will ostracize those who can influence change.

    Please, let's start with not supporting dictatorships in the Middle East.

    Egypt, the entire Arab Gulf, Jordan, Morocco, Tunisia, Yemen. But it may be too late.

    US policies in support of these dictatorships have killed off any secular opposition that could have existed.

    Look at the Muslim Brotherhood - Mubarak killed off the opposition but cannot fight Islam so Islam became the vehicle to fight him.

    And Hamas? Who do you think facilitated Hamas' rise to power?

    Who weakened Fatah?

    Who keeps the filthy Saudis protected? And the Kuwaitis? And the Bahraini Sunni monarchy which tortures the Shia day in and day out?

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  95. Yes, I have seen some and read more. ( I just finished reading this and thought the 3 questions at the end pretty much sums up the problem between the West and Islam: http://www.sydney.catholic.org.au/Archbishop/Addresses/200627_681.shtml) But a few elites aren't going to turn the tide. It is better than nothing, maybe, and could be considered progress. But what percentage of such discussions are dedicated to the 'blame the infidel' programming? . I don't blame all Muslims-I have two employees who converted to Islam in prison and it likely saved their lives, they hate the Islamofascists and love their country as much as I do and one joins the US Army in three months-I thought I made that clear that I thought the more moderate would suffer more because of the fanatics than any other group and have the most at stake. I don't think that is fair, either. So what? It is a very tough situation for all involved who don't want to see it devolve into an old fashioned bloodbath. Don't support the despots? Then who would rule? Despots have brought the closest thing to stability the region, and given us what we needed. Would the situation really have been better had that not been the case or would there have been even more warring between factions, tribes, sects as seems to be a big feature in ME history, with and without Western influence? Do you honestly think that in the short term that is going to be in US interests? Long term either, for that matter. The Shah was a tough bastard and Carter threw him over the side--are we better off for having done so? Even better, are the Iranians better off for our having done so? That is what makes Iraq so important--what evolves from the removal of a brutal dictator in a divided third world nation chock full of weapons and homocidal fanatics? So far, I am losing confidence in the whole effort to give the common Arab a voice in his country. Too many seem to take this whole jihad thing way too seriously and all we get for the effort is blame for the dysfunctional society that results. You do nothing and get blamed, try to do everything and you get blamed. It is truly amazing to me and confirms your analysis of my understanding. Frankly, reading Iraqi blogs leads me to believe there may not be anyone in Iraq who truly understands it either. Blame is definitely easier and seems to be a refined art in that part of the world.

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  96. "Don't support the despots? Then who would rule? Despots have brought the closest thing to stability the region, and given us what we needed".

    Aha, stability by repression of the people? By torture and humiliation.

    You sound like Saddam is your hero in that case.

    I'm sorry. No, no blame at all.

    Just gratitude the US invaded the most secular Arab country in the region.

    Good one.

    To say that all Arabs do is blame is dishonest because it seeks to placate those who bear most of the responsibility for what has transpired in the Middle East.

    I am sorry, the Jews blame the Nazis for the Holocaust. Americans blame 1.5 billion Muslims for 911.

    Everyone else can blame someone, but when the blame falls on you, it sizzles and gets too hot for ya.

    Okay, let's say we can't blame anymore.

    So, Saudi king has banned the use of pictures of Saudi women on tv and in the print media.

    Had this been the Taliban we would have heard Laura cry all over the microphone and RAWA get major headlines around the world.

    But it's Saudi, so that's okay.

    Three years ago, thousands of Saudis took to the streets demanding reform - democratic reform. They were beaten and jailed. Prominent Saudi journalists are still in jail.

    And yet King Abdullah enjoys the Crawford Ranch often.

    What message does that send?

    A leading Saudi dissident is put under house arrest in London for saying the Saudi regime is corrupt.

    What does that say to those who would dare question the monarchy?

    That they cannot rely on the west which preaches democracy but bends over for petrodollars.

    So what do they do, they get enticed over by Islamic radicalism.

    And that has been Osama's plan from day one. And Zawahiri.

    Visit the streets of Cairo please. During the November/December parliamentary elections, I asked the common street sweeper who he was voting for.

    He said the Muslim Brotherhood. Why I asked? Because they are not corrupt, they fear God, he said.

    Doesn't Mubarak fear God too, I asked him?

    Mubarak just steals the money of the "sha'ab" (people), he said.

    Who pats Mubarak on the back and gives him endless aid?

    You guessed it.

    Yes, I know your voice all to well.

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  97. TAI: But we hate arrogance. And we hate racism, and we hate Islamophobia.

    LOL! the royal WE eh!!

    does the WE thingy extend to all the 1.2 billion Muslims? :)

    How 'bout apple pie?

    Do you defend apple pie too TAI?

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    The Saudis enforce a cruel tiered system of racist laws, wages, and policies for access to services.

    Don't believe?

    Just ask the Filipinos, Palestinians, or Indians who live and work there.

    There is no, absolutely no equivalence between mere word racist and the actual deeds of a serious racist society.

    TAI, the way you carelessly throw the word racist [and many others btw] around devalues the very essence of the word.

    Invest in a mirror TAI and you will plainly see a racist Ameriphobia. >::

    TAI: Who keeps the filthy Saudis protected? And the Kuwaitis? And the Bahraini Sunni monarchy which tortures the Shia day in and day out?


    uummm...let see 'Mericans?



    But then see if we stopped protecting the Saudis et al you'd be the first to whinge out an long winded accusation, castigating the good ole USA of being arrogant and racist for abandoning our alliance with the Arab Saudis now wouldn't you!

    I mean after all WE would never abandon a "white non-swarthy" country now would we TAI?

    As for the rest of your comments, just because I didn't take the time to object don't delude yourself in thinking they aren't objectionable because they are.

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    a perspective:

    Steven Vincent ht Jeffery


    Beneath Iraqi religious and political affiliations lies a complex web of family, clan, and tribal associations that knits the country together in a tradition-based social order. Whereas in Shia-dominated Iraq, religious leaders tend to command more respect than tribal sheikhs, in the Sunni Triangle, kinship groups like the Dulaym federation, the Shammar, the al-Jaburi, and Saddam's own tribe, al-Bu Nasir, have for centuries wielded considerable, if poorly-understood, power. Although the Ottomans, the British, and even the Baathists tried to circumscribe tribal authority, it has stubbornly persisted, especially in the form of behavioral codes derived from the earliest inhabitants of the desert. This "Bedouin substratum," as Patai terms it, affirms as its highest principles hospitality, courage, loyalty and, above all, honor — a concept which itself comprises virility, dignity, and martial valor. "All these different kinds of honor," Patai writes, "interlock to surround the Arab ego like a coat of armor."

    And if this psychic chain-mail is breached? The Arab, he continues, "must defend his public image. Any injury done to a man's honor must be revenged, or else he becomes permanently dishonored," Pryce-Jones writes. "Shame is a living death, not to be endured, requiring that it be avenged." For my part, I discovered this cultural and psychological phenomenon throughout the Sunni Triangle. While conversing with dozens of residents, I felt much less the anger of a population that was "occupied," "oppressed," or "enslaved" than the self-loathing of a people in disgrace. After decades of imperious rule, the Sunni Baathists were crushed by America — shamed, humiliated, they felt they had lost something perhaps even more precious than jobs or political power: honor.

    Dishonor. This, I came to understand, was a huge factor that propelled the Sunni insurgency and gave it such an air of pointless, self-destructive violence. It is also the reason, I believe, why non-Middle Eastern observers have such trouble understanding the nature of this conflict — particularly Americans, who have no real experience with those extended families called tribes.

    Nor do we feel any longer a visceral connection between honor and self-respect, or the necessity of the lex talionis ("an eye for an eye," or, as an Arab proverb has it, dam butlub dam, "blood demands blood") to avenge humiliation. But the militants in the Sunni Triangle do. In order to reclaim their personal, family and clan reputations, these Iraqis seek to kill American troops, for only American blood can redeem their honor. The roadside ambushes and barbaric immolations correspond to archaic tribal codes where self-respect is restored only through violence and loss of life.

    No wonder the insurgents — and many other Iraqis as well — seem to dwell on the edge of a bottomless chasm of rage: the shame they experience from the American invasion eats away at them. No wonder, too, that the insurgents' movement seems so vague. In my travels through the Sunni Triangle and my time in Baghdad I never once saw any symbols, propaganda, or call letters (FLN, NLF, IRA, and so on) that might refer to an organized "liberation front." These "resistance" fighters — or, à la Moore, Iraqi "minutemen" — seemed to have no leaders, issue no communiqués, propound no programs, or even have a name. But why should they? Their primary interest is their own "honor." They may claim they are "patriots" fighting for Iraq — many are, in fact, soldiers and officers from the old Iraqi Army — but at heart they see themselves as tribal warriors engaged in the venerable tradition of honor killings against the biggest tribe of all: America.

    By failing immediately to occupy and pacify the Sunni Triangle during the war, the U.S. allowed the affiliation between tribal groups and the Baath Party to reform and reassert itself. Gradually, a combination of embarrassment, humiliation, disgrace, and dishonor, fueled by a genuine diminution in the Sunnis' quality of life, compelled these Iraqis to seek revenge rather than political negotiation. Attacks on U.S. soldiers produced American counter-responses, killing Iraqi civilians and initiating further cycles of honor and revenge slayings. Gradually, the Sunni's tribal mentality drew the U.S. into a new kind of war: an unreasonable war fought not for familiar goals like territory, riches, or ideology, but for the irrational, intangible prizes of honor and self-respect.

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  98. Iraq Has Lower Violent Death Rate than Washington DC

    Iraq Has Lower Violent Death Rate per 100,000 People than Washington, DC and Other Countries

    Columbia ............ 61.7
    New Orleans .......... 53.1
    South Africa ......... 49.6
    Washington, DC ....... 45.9
    Baltimore ............ 37.7
    Atlanta .............. 34.9
    Jamiaca .............. 32.4
    Venezuala ............ 31.6
    Iraq ................. 25.71


    /Damn Jews!

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  99. [bruno] "Funny that when it serves the interests of the US, even Al Qaeda isn’t so bad."
    [anton] “Even the Nazis aren't so bad.”

    Talking about Operation Paperclip? I guess it would be a shock to the Americans to realize it was Nazi technology that allowed them to reach into space. But don’t mention von Braun or his compatriots. And don’t mention Hitler’s admiration for the American theory of Eugenics. It would be politically insensitive.




    [Rubin] “The Pentagon has begun to release [to everyone with a computer] some of the thousands of Iraqi government and military documents …”

    Umm. Anything associated with the freepers and “pajamas media” MUST be completely reliable and unbiased. Not. Smells like another round of ‘planted’ stories to me. Guess the Lincoln Group took a while to manufacture the latest batch of fabrications and inventions.




    [with you in mind] “In Britain - my home country - they talked about this some during the initial invasion when civilian men seemed to be running alongside the tanks and assisting in the pulling down of the statue.”

    The entire operation was an elaborate PsyOp. Just Google Firdous square and Psyop. An extract for your convenience:


    Toppling of Saddam's Statue Staged?
    July 22, 2004 – ABC News

    “The report reveals that a marine corps colonel on the scene saw the saddam statue as a "target of opportunity that must come down." A tactical psyop team moved in quickly, using a loudspeaker and an interpreter to instruct the iraqis on where to stand. The report describes the scene as a media circus with almost as many reporters as iraqis.

    And contrary to the dramatic crowd scenes broadcast around the world, this photograph obtained by the i-team shows a starkly different portrait. A town square that is virtually empty. That scene is confirmed in the army's report. Tim brown: "what you saw on television looked like there was throngs of thousands and in reality, it was just a few dozen people."

    And remember the american flag draped over the face of the statue? The report details the frantic efforts of a marine to replace it with an iraqi flag. One army colonel said: "we were thinking from psyop school that this was just bad news." While the images beamed worldwide symbolized an iraq on the cusp of freedom, the reality depicted in the report, was that other marines were engaged in a firefight just a few blocks away.” //end excerpt

    What is more interesting to me is the way the media is manipulated. A few hundred Chalabists celebrating the invasion in Firdous Square become the defining image of the Iraqi debacle. Half a million Sadrists and Sunnis in Firdous Square demonstrating against being occupied doesn’t even make the subtitles. Yeah, that makes sense.

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  100. TAI –

    Wow, that was a white-hot scorching of the wingnuts.

    Ouch.

    Really, what more is there to add?

    The truth of course is that Muslim radicalism is encouraged by Western policy in the Middle East.

    The effect of supporting these repressive (but friendly) regimes is that the people turn to the only people with enough balls to stand up for them. Yes, that means the religious establishment. What happened in Iran could be the blueprint for other countries in the ME. Yet keeping these friendly regimes propped up is more important than popular rule.

    All this crap about the “evil Islamofascists” taking over the world is just so naïve it is risible. I wish that these idiots would get it through their heads once and for all, that even IF … that’s IF … their scare-mongering of a giant conspiracy of Muslims plotting to take over the world were TRUE, there is simply NO WAY that it will happen. The militaries of the big powers who would oppose such a move (Russia, China, Europe and the US) are simply light years ahead organisationally and technologically of the Muslim countries. Repeat: There is simply NO friggin’ way it would happen.



    Anonymous --

    Saying Islam “must be reformed” is crap.

    Has the Bible been re-written since tens of thousands of people were burnt at the stake in the Middle Ages for being witches? NO. Yet Christians no longer do these things. Why?

    The times have changed, that’s why.

    Islam is simply reflecting the popular sentiment of the times. If the people of the region are angry, desperate and feel threatened, then it is only logical that Islam will reflect these feelings. If you don’t want Islam to be desperate and angry, then address the causes of its desperation and anger. This sentiment did not spring out of nowhere.

    Furthermore, the really radical fringe, the people who will kill “for the Islamic Caliphate” are a VANISHINGLY SMALL number in the Umma of 1,5 Billion Muslims. They exist, sure. And yes, they are dangerous. But consider what you are doing. By actions such as the support of Mubarak that TAI mentioned, and by actions such as the invasion of Iraq, you are sending the message to the greater Islamic world that you DO NOT WANT PEACE. That you are hypocritical in your goals of “democracy”.

    In other words, you are telling the Muslim world “bin Laden WAS RIGHT.”

    You are strengthening the hand of the radicals. And you are legitimising their cause, and moving it towards a mainstream opinion. Worse, by misrepresenting reality and blowing up the image of these people as being some sort of superheroes who can tie down the entire American army in a country for years on end, you make it seem as though their way has a chance of success. You are recruiting for them through your words and deeds.

    Is that REALLY what you want to be doing?

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  101. [anonymous] “That is a very poor effort to excuse the lack of outrage among Muslims for the atrocities committed in the name of their faith.”

    Perhaps you have not been listening.

    Or perhaps you don’t WANT to hear.

    So let me help you:

    Wikipedia : Response to the 2005 Bombings:

    According to a YouGov opinion poll conducted after the bombings, more than 80% of all Muslims in the United Kingdom disapprove of the bombings.

    The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdul Aziz Al-Asheikh denounced the deadly blasts that rocked London, saying ""Killing and terrorizing innocent people and the destruction of property are not condoned by Islam". He also censured the terrorists for tarnishing the image of Islam by attaching their heinous crimes to the religion

    The Muslim Council of Britain said that it "utterly condemns" the "indiscriminate acts of terror."

    The Council on American-Islamic Relations condemned the attacks, stating "We join Americans of all faiths, and all people of conscience worldwide, in condemning these barbaric crimes that can never be justified or excused.

    The Islamic Circle of North America released a statement saying, "The Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA) is shocked and horrified at the several attacks on the people of London during the rush hour mass transit. We join everyone in condemning such acts of terror and senseless violence.

    Leading Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim scholar Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah stated, "These crimes are not accepted by any religion. It is a barbarism wholly rejected by Islam."

    Grand Imam Mohammed Sayyed Tantawi of Cairo's Al-Azhar University condemned the attacks and said that the attacks could be not justified as an attempt to force Britain out of Iraq.” //end

    and

    [Imam Hassan Moussa - Sweden] "In the Friday sermon that I delivered at Stockholm's Great Mosque after 7/7, I condemned the attacks unreservedly. I talked about how we now must, once and for all, deal with those forces that disgrace Islam by mutilating and murdering innocent people.”

    and

    Here is a link : http://www.islamicinstitute.org/fb-2005/morecndmn7-7.asp

    Which has 34 statements from leading Muslims and Muslim associations around the world condemning the 2005 attacks. This is by no means exhaustive, either.

    My conclusion is that you are either selectively reading your news or are deliberately trying to mislead us.

    The reality is that while there is widespread support for the motivations of the bombers (getting Britain out of Iraq, which I agree with too) there is an even greater rejection of the methods used by these bombers. Hardly a reaction of a radical community bent on world domination.

    I suggest that you seriously rethink your preconceptions.

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  102. Rubin –

    Your latest post well demonstrates your complete imbecility and lack of the faculty of reason.

    Particularly interesting were your “statistics” from the Colon (a well deserved surname if there ever was one) article. This *cough* “reporter” *cough* takes as gospel the “surprising statistics” of a racist man called Steve King, who is amongst the most radical fringe elements of the already radical GOP. Statistics which, you’ll be shocked to hear, appear nowhere else on the Web save at the NY Sun article. Now, gee, I’m terribly sorry, but I don’t take as gospel uncorroborated stats from a person who has a strong incentive to, shall we say, pull them out of his ass.

    Secondly, I happen to LIVE in one of the countries, South Africa, which according to King has a violent death rate double that of Iraq. I’m sorry to say I don’t remember the last time a car bomb went off, or the last time I saw a corpse on the street or the last time I heard assault rifle fire. Now, given that this is ‘normal’ in Iraq, I should, with a supposed violent death rate double that of Iraq, be wading hip deep through the corpses. My own eyes tell me that this King dude is a purveyor of fairy tales.

    Thirdly, and most importantly, even IF this crap were NOT bogus (which it is), it in no way validates anything the US has done. I mean, if I came to your town with a machine gun and turned it into a charnel house … are my actions still OK if I point out that statistically, the violent death rate in your town is still less than South Africa so suck it up, man. Wipe your aunt’s brains off your face and get on with your life, you wimp.

    Yet this is what you are essentially saying to Iraqis. You make it sound like some sort of ‘point’ you are scoring, whereas in reality you’re just shooting yourself in the foot and simultaneously demonstrating both your inhumanity and lack of logical thinking.

    And then just look at this crap:

    [rubin] “But then see if we stopped protecting the Saudis et al you'd be the first to whinge out an long winded accusation, castigating the good ole USA of being arrogant and racist for abandoning our alliance with the Arab Saudis now wouldn't you!”

    So now not only is Rubin an inhuman purveyor of invented statistics, he is also a mind reader. Yep, he KNOWS that if the US withdraws from Saudi Arabia all the Arabs will complain at not having the nice Americans “protect” them. Protect them from WHO? Saudi Arabia has one of the most powerful militaries in the Middle East. They could’ve probably have taken out Hussein themselves. I ought to charge Rubin for this educational experience he is being put through, since he seems to know next to nothing about the Middle East or its people.

    Like I had to read a “Steve Vincent” article to realise that there would be resistance to occupation.

    And his analysis of Iraqi honour, while accurate in some respects, ignores the altogether greater aspect of the fact that NO COUNTRY likes being occupied and exploited. Let’s see his analysis of American tribal politics circa the American Revolution. Lets see his dissection of the Russian code of honour when the Nazis invaded them in the 1940’s. Let’s see his explanation of how the sense of shame of the Finns made them resist the Russians just prior to WW2 proper.

    Vincent is a moron if he thinks that resistance to occupation is a uniquely Iraqi trait.

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  103. Americans blame 1.5 billion Muslims for 9-11? I'm sure some Muslims here in America have been made to feel a little uncomfortable at times becasue of some of their fellow Americans who may have that view, but they seem to be doing just fine from what I see and I see hajib wearing women practically every day. And Islamic groups don't appear to very reticent about speaking out and whining right along with every other special interest group we have in abundance. So I don't quite see that. If anything, I think we are so reluctant to be seen as tolerant, we blind ourselves to the segment of Islam that truly is our enemy.

    I must love Saddam? I think despots are the preferred method of maintaining stability? I have read several comments by 'enlightened' Iraq bloggers, some of them right here, who have told me that very thing.

    Again, guilty of enabling our oppressor, guilty of removing our stable, secular government, guilty of supporting those who force archaic, religious laws upon us, guilty of not respecting our religion and culture when you suggest change. Guilty of infecting out culture withyour gadgets and entertainment, guilty of not givng us fast enough download speeds or cell phone coverage. Damn Americans! Give us what we want, even if what we want is in direct conflict, and don't expect anything other than bitching while you give it to us!

    We are not happy and the US must be blamed! Gets tedious after a while, not to mention embarrassing. Got any idea for how the ME you want can ever come to be--- that doesn't involve glaring contradictions or Americans dieing?


    By the way, Bruno--your argument against those statistics on SA, (you know, those stats can't be accurate because I haven't personally heard a car bomb, etc.), probably would best not be prefaced with a screed saying of someone else, "Your latest post well demonstrates your complete imbecility and lack of the faculty of reason." Unless you are trying to be funny, in which case-- well done!

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  104. TAI said: "How about Sao Paolo, Brazil? Several people were executed, murdered and mutilated. Why aren't any of you saying Roman Catholicism should be reformed?"

    TAI, I live in Brazil, and I want to explain what happens here. We have a big organized crime group called PCC whose leaders are now in prisons, but they continue to command through cell phones (it's a shame, I recognize). Recently authorities tried to isolate this leaders, but they fought back ordering their soldiers to attack security forces, banks and court buildings. The primary targets were policemen, and a lot was killed. Until now we had around 150 deaths. We here see this as a mere criminal issue and I think it's how the rest of the world sees it too. But yes, when a violent act takes place in Iraq, most people see it as a religious act. A narrow point of view, in my oppinion.

    Changing a little. Anonymous, Rubin, it seems to me that you are trying to convince the fellow iraqis here that the american invasion is good for them. Well, in some points you are right, but I think you are missing the most basic and important point: the sovereignty is the most important thing for a country, and without it is impossible to plan and structure a nation. Yes, they had a bad governant, but he was iraqi, with an iraqi army supporting him.
    Now some iraqis are fighting the americans, and they will continue to fight until the US army go away, which is what a people do when the question is the sovereignty. The americans did it against the britons, the brazilians against the portugueses, the chineses against the japaneses, and so on.

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  105. Anton, I like what you said about sovereignty and thank you for explaining the situation in Brazil.

    Rubin, grow up, seriously, be an Ambassador of your people, not a disgrace.

    Bruno, yep. You know me, I never stop.

    Baghdad Treasure, put up a new posting so we have something fresh to argue about ; )

    Inta warda.

    Oh, and a final note I just blogged about:

    Iraqi Shiite militants sentence all gays to death
    By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL
    Published May 17, 2006


    BAGHDAD -- Hard-line Shiite militias in Baghdad have issued a blanket death sentence for homosexuals, lesbians, prostitutes, liberal professors and booksellers.

    Ali Hili, who ran a gay nightclub in Baghdad but fled to Britain this year after receiving death threats, told The Times of London he knows of more than 40 men killed in recent months.


    Hili claims Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most revered spiritual figure in Iraq, provoked the slayings by saying on his Web site in April last year that homosexuals should be killed in the "worst, most severe way."

    "We could never envisage this happening when Saddam (Hussein) was overthrown," the 33-year-old Hili said. "I had no love for the former president, but his regime never persecuted the gay community."

    Elsewhere in the city, a 34-year-old theater actor, who would only give his name as Bashar, said he has gone into hiding after a death threat. Two close members of his family have been killed by militants, who say they will carry on killing his relatives until he turns himself in.

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  106. Dear ‘Rubin’ or ‘RG’ or ‘rg’ (as you call yourself at other Iraqi blogs), 5/17/2006 11:20,

    You are insulting our host Treasure of Baghdad, all Iraqis, and the intelligence of most people around the world with your blatantly false information.

    Your ‘comparison’ between homicide rates in different cities & countries is simply a rehashed junk mail circulated by US warmongers, in urban legend fashion, for the past year and a half, and comically picked up by that garbage website you linked to.

    It has been debunked over & over, but anyway, in 2004 Washington had 553,500 inhabitants, and only 198 homicides were committed; so it was 36 deaths per 100,000 inhabitants, NOT the “45.9” you sloppy liar quoted.

    As for Iraq, let’s take the most uncontroversial estimate of Iraqi civilians (not including insurgents, etc.) killed since your demented invasion, the one by ‘Iraqibodycount’ (between 35,000 and 39,000; Baghdad Treasure, who is there, surely can tell you that the real number is between three and six times higher), and divide it by the three years of your beastly occupation of Iraq.

    Since in 2005 the estimated Iraqi population was 26.7 million (according to the CIA’s Factbook), the result is (taking 36,000 as the number) 45 per 100,000, NOT the “25.71” you quoted.
    BTW, if your comparison were between countries (the US and Iraq), since the average yearly rate of homicides in the US is below 10 per 100,000, it would mean that this most reductive Iraqi death toll is almost five times higher than that in the US as a whole.

    And the ACTUAL Iraqi one, as opposed to this most conservative one out of Iraqibodycount data, is at least 135 per 100,000; Iraq is for its inhabitants a more dangerous place than any other country on earth is.

    But, of course, you should compare, in case, the death toll of Washington (the highest in the US) to that of Baghdad, not of all Iraq: and then you would have:

    Washington: 36 per 100,000.
    Baghdad: 120/130 (plus) per 100,000.

    Again, because the Iraqibodycount data are the most reductive, actually the comparison is:

    Washington: 36 per 100,000.
    Baghdad: 260/290 per 100,000.


    So, this ludicrous thing you spammed Treasure of Baghdad’s blog with is just a LIE.

    The question then is: why do you, ‘Rubin’, keep spamming Iraqi blogs with such ridiculous pieces of lying propaganda? (I saw you did the same at The Kid’s blog as well).

    Do you think that our host Treasure of Baghdad doesn’t know that it is all garbage?
    Do you hope to fool the most naïve readers of his blog?

    On this you are wrong: you are not at your favourite hunting ground, ‘Iraq The Minion’ or ITM, where you preach to other mindless and gullible US warmongers.

    I know that, being a lame propagandist, you have no respect for us readers and posters; but you ought, ‘Rubin’ the Liar, to have at least a minimum of respect for our host…

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  107. Clapclapclapclapclap.

    Sorry, busy clapping for An Italian.

    Thanks, bud.

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  108. WORD

    Rubin, grow up, seriously, be an Ambassador of your people, not a disgrace.

    TAI: Is that something like a fatwa?


    Unlike you TAI I don't pretend to be a Potentate, Sultan or Imam for my "people" LOL!.....ever so humble I only speak for myself.


    BTW TAI were you ever elected? :)

    *

    Brunhilda: All this crap about the “evil Islamofascists” taking over the world is just so naïve it is risible. I wish that these idiots would get it through their heads once and for all, that even IF … that’s IF … their scare-mongering of a giant conspiracy of Muslims plotting to take over the world were TRUE, there is simply NO WAY that it will happen. The militaries of the big powers who would oppose such a move (Russia, China, Europe and the US) are simply light years ahead organisationally and technologically of the Muslim countries. Repeat: There is simply NO friggin’ way it would happen. [way illegitimate analysis]

    Brunhilda: Furthermore, the really radical fringe, the people who will kill “for the Islamic Caliphate” are a VANISHINGLY SMALL number in the Umma of 1,5 Billion Muslims. They exist, sure. And yes, they are dangerous. But consider what you are doing. By actions such as the support of Mubarak that TAI mentioned, and by actions such as the invasion of Iraq, you are sending the message to the greater Islamic world that you DO NOT WANT PEACE. That you are hypocritical in your goals of “democracy”.


    Thankfully, awareness of real threats posed by the expansionist Islamist radicalism to countries all around the world are increasing everyday. The cloak over the sub-rosa strategies cooked up to spread Islam is coming off. There are many methodologies and slights of hand, one of them is the immigration strategy, In fact you can see it in the News almost everyday, for instance New Muslim immigrant enclaves in secular countries all over the world are demanding and rioting for Islamic shria laws to replace the existing secular laws of the mother secular countries.

    Threats and acts of violence on a daily basis from Muslim immigrants are a common problem and common place all over the world.

    Brunhilda: Islam is simply reflecting the popular sentiment of the times. If the people of the region are angry, desperate and feel threatened, then it is only logical that Islam will reflect these feelings. If you don’t want Islam to be desperate and angry, then address the causes of its desperation and anger. This sentiment did not spring out of nowhere.

    LOL! Which is it bi-valve mouth, A few people who are bad actors acting independently...just a small fringe, a VANISHINGLY SMALL number, ...or a monolithic Ummah which thinks and acts like an ant hill?


    As back up, here are just as few examples from the last day or so.


    CNN: "Ethnic cleansing" by Arab Islamic militias against non-Arab villagers has created a climate of terror across the huge Darfur region in Sudan's west.

    Despite the arrival of international troops and ongoing peace talks, the crisis in the African nation of Sudan remains as severe as ever.

    *

    Killings, be-headings in new Somali violence/ 17 May 2006

    Islamic militia targeted the base north of the city in the latest flare-up in fighting since the two sides began observing an informal truce on Sunday after eight days of pitched street battles in Mogadishu, they said.

    *
    Thousands of frightened teachers return to their classrooms in the South

    PATTANI – Thousands of teachers and students returning to school today amid heightened security measures in the violence-wracked southern border provinces still say they fear deadly attacks from Muslim insurgents despite reassurances of safety from the government.

    Education Minister Chaturon Chaisang was in Pattani yesterday in an attempt to offer support to teachers who have been targeted along with other symbols of central Bangkok rule in more than two years of violent attacks by Muslim separatist insurgents.

    *

    Bangladesh: 11 Islamists Found Guilty Of Bombing

    Today, the BBC, the New Nation and New Kerala report that a trial in Bangladesh of Islamists has concluded today, with life sentences being handed out to 10 individuals. Three other convicted men were given 20 year jail terms. 14 other individuals were also acquitted.

    The August 17 bombings involved a total of more than 450 bombs, carried out across 63 of the 64 districts in Bangladesh. In these attacks a man and a boy were killed, and more than 100 people were injured. At the location of each bomb, leaflets were found, demanding Bangladesh hand over jurisdiction to Sharia Law.

    *

    Aksa Brigades threatens US, Europe

    The Aksa Martyrs Brigades, the armed wing of Fatah, on Monday threatened to strike at US and European interests in response to international sanctions on the Palestinian Authority.

    The threat, the first of its kind, came as PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas was scheduled to hold talks in Moscow with President Vladimir Putin on the severe financial crisis in the PA territories. Moreover, the threat by Abbas's Fatah party came as Palestinians marked the 58th anniversary of the nakba, or catastrophe (the secular anniversary of Israel's independence). :)

    *

    Iraqi gunmen kill 23 in bus stop attack


    Gunmen opened fire with machineguns at a bus stop outside a market in Baghdad yesterday, killing 23 people in an apparent sectarian attack.

    *

    Gays flee as Muslim militias sentence them all to death

    THE death threat was delivered to Karazan’s father early in the morning by a masked man wearing a police uniform.
    The scribbled note was brief. Karazan had to die because he was gay. In the new Baghdad, his sexuality warranted execution by the religious militias.


    *


    BBC, Muslims break up a meeting called to defend the rights of religious minorities in Malaysia

    The country's leaders condemned the disturbances, but the BBC's Jonathan Kent in Kuala Lumpur says non-Muslims feel increasingly beleaguered.

    "I'm becoming an alien in Malaysia, in my own country," says Dr Jacob George.

    The president of the Consumers Association of Subang and Shah Alam in Selangor State has been helping to organise efforts to stop the local authorities in the ethnic Malay-Muslim dominated city of Shah Alam from demolishing a 107-year-old Hindu temple.

    Earlier in April another 19th-Century temple was demolished a few kilometres away in the capital Kuala Lumpur.

    The authorities said in both cases the temples' founders did


    *


    Turkish lawyer burts into court room and shouts, "Allahu Akbar" (God is the greatest) then shoots 5 and says "His anger will be upon you!"

    ANKARA, Turkey (CNN) -- A gunman has killed a prominent judge and wounded four others in Turkey's highest administrative court in an attack he said was in retaliation for a recent ruling against a teacher who wore an Islamic-style headscarf, officials said. [Turkish, Islamic Hezbollah]

    *


    17/5/06..INSIDE ISLAMIC JIHAD.
    Reign of Terror


    The black flags of Islamic Jihad flutter from rooftop TV antennas in the warrens of the refugee camp in Tulkarem, Palestine, and graffiti scrawled on cinderblock walls proclaim eternal struggle against Israel. "Islamic Jihad is a volcano on which no grass grows," reads one. "Greetings to all Palestinian prisoners from the Islamic Jihad movement,"

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  109. An Italian

    Dear ‘Rubin’ or ‘RG’ or ‘rg’ (as you call yourself at other Iraqi blogs), 5/17/2006 11:20,

    You are insulting our host Treasure of Baghdad, all Iraqis, and the intelligence of most people around the world with your blatantly false information.


    LOL!

    Dear An "Italian"

    RG? huh?

    Hey! are you ever one to talk!

    Have you ever heard the old saw?
    "those who live in a glass houses should't throw stones"


    I have proof that you posted in many blogs under these names..

    brown noser

    poseur putz

    idiotic fartqahsxd

    smelly wag finger

    ************************

    see ya (dolt)

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  110. well, this original posting may break some records???

    Glad to know where some of you guys live outside of this blog ;-)

    I was a political science major in college in my undergrad days. I wanted to be a journalist.
    Why did I stop. Well, I gradually learned that you can NEVER learn "the truth" in politics or about politics.. There isn't an unchanging truth about anything political.

    So my opionion about all this arguement is that it convinces no one. REALLY, I believe No one on this blog or any other political blog, has ever changed their mind as a result of reading the opinions of someone in "the opposition".
    PLEASE tell me "your story" if you have convinced someone with the opposite opinion as yours, to change their opinion because of your superior arguement/debate skills. I would really enjoy reading some really good fiction.

    You may just enjoy typing these incredibly long blogs, But what is the purpose? For you to feel satisfied??????? That sounds pretty selfish.

    I come here, NOT because I want to "learn the real news that my papers /TV doesn't report. I could care less about the TV news.I watch local news to find out about things that will really affect my community.

    I come here because I am really interested in the societies of Iraq, Iran, Israel and Palestine, especially as a result of the war. (Sorry, I don't have room to care about the other places in the Middle East). I have known and still know a "good number" of Iranians. Someday I would like to eat dinner with you Iraqi bloggers, and if that every happens we WOULDN't talk politics...talk about the Holy Qur'an, religion, science teaching, (I used to be a math teacher) or social issues.

    Yes, I realize Treasure discusses politics. but he also brings other dimensions of interest about what is happening in society.

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  111. thank you for a very moving posting. It is important to remember, however that beheaded bodies and car bombs are not natural events like thunderstorms or lightning bolts. It is important to remember that there are people, movements, ideologies, and countries that support the creation of these terrible acts of terror. The mind-numbing effect of terror often leads people to think of it as a thing in itself and somehow to avoid focussing on the forces that carry out these atrocities.
    Peace, Shalom, Salaam,
    Dry Bones
    Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973

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  112. [edoriver] "PLEASE tell me "your story" if you have convinced someone with the opposite opinion as yours, to change their opinion because of your superior arguement/debate skills."

    It's very unlikely, yes. But there are those with open(er) minds which you can shift a bit. Lynnette, who I initially couldn't stand, turned out to be a clever and debatable opponent. And Mark-in-chi-town managed to shift me from a position that US foreign policy is completely evil to a position that it is just mostly evil. Which is bad enough.

    You'll never have a St Paul conversion. But every bit helps.

    And, if one has a particularly clever opponent, one can learn a lot from such a debate. What more do you want?

    Now, back to regular transmissions.

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  113. [rubin] “BTW TAI were you ever elected? :)”

    Poll after poll shows that TAI’s opinions more or less reflect mainstream Iraqi thought, of which he is part. I find it amusing that “ye olde yank” Rubin tries to dispute this with somebody who not only is Iraqi but has traveled throughout the ME.

    [rubin] “All this crap about the “evil Islamofascists” taking over the world is just so naïve it is risible.”
    [rubin] “There are many methodologies and slights of hand, one of them is the immigration strategy,”

    Allllright. Is this what passes for a serious answer from you, Rubin? Immigration is HARDLY a forced issue. You CAN actually STOP these people from immigrating to your country, you know. There is such a thing as border control. Are you seriously arguing that it is so impossible to stop Muslim immigration that you have to go to their lands to bomb and pillage them there? In other words, you want to create hordes of impoverished, desperate Muslim refugees seeking refuge from your war on them … who will immigrate to somewhere where there is no war, like the USA or Europe. So your tactics are adding to what you say is your main problem? DUH, that’s pretty much the caliber of answer that I expected from you, Rubin.


    [rubin] “Which is it bi-valve mouth, A few people who are bad actors acting independently...just a small fringe, a VANISHINGLY SMALL number, ...or a monolithic Ummah which thinks and acts like an ant hill?”

    Black and white Rubin charges in again, ever eager to demonstrate his small intellectual capacity by being unable to parse the issues in a rational manner.

    My point is that there is much reason for Islam to be angry. My point is that your actions are the cause of that anger. My point is that despite these feelings of anger, Muslims overwhelmingly reject terrorism and similar tactics as a method of getting what they want. However, the longer Muslims feel threatened and under attack, the more the tactics and methods of the radicals become mainstream and legitimized. And the longer the people you support oppress them, the more they will turn to the establishment which will stand up to you – the Mullahs and Imams.

    Geez, really, this is not rocket science.

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  114. Your “numerous examples of Muslim violence” are similarly idiotic.

    These actions are largely driven by local events, and have nothing to do with some “giant conspiracy”.

    It’s all got to do with how the violence is framed. The bin Laden types see ALL Western - driven violence in the ME as a CHRISTIAN CONSPIRACY to destroy Islam. The Rubin types see ALL Muslim – related violence as a ISLAMIC CONSPIRACY to destroy Christianity. Both these views are DAFT. There is no conspiracy to destroy Islam, only a conspiracy to use Islamic violence as a smokescreen for extending US dominance both culturally and economically over critical geostrategic areas. And Rubin buys into it like the good little lemming he is, because he is unable to parse the news.

    Let’s take some examples of news and re-frame them the way the MSM does:


    [Christian] forces cannot withdraw yet from any Iraqi province: general
    Jim Mannion, AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE - 18 May 2006, 00:46

    Washington: [Christian] [militias] cannot yet be withdrawn from even Iraq's most stable regions, despite progress made in building up Iraqi security forces, the [Christian] [Templar] chief said Wednesday.
    *
    Socialist Worker issue 2001
    [Christian] troops lose out in battle for Basra

    The [Christian] occupying forces in Basra have all but lost control of the southern Iraqi city. Last weekend saw two more [Christian radicals] killed in a roadside bomb attack, bringing the total number of [British crusader] fatalities in Iraq to 111.
    *
    [Christians] send mentally unfit [crusaders] to Iraq, says report
    Xinhua - May 15, 2006

    The Christian military has been dispatching mentally unfit soldiers to Iraq, even as authorities are aware of their illness, the Hartford Courant reported Sunday. The Connecticut-based newspaper said there are numerous cases in which the [Christian militia] failed to follow its own regulations in screening, treating and evacuating mentally unfit [crusaders] from Iraq”//end


    And so on … you get the idea.

    Why don’t people go on about the Christian attack on Russia in 1941? Or the Christian destruction of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? If one frames every act of aggression by the USA and majority Christian countries as a religious act then we get a pretty monstrous conspiracy and a machine of genocide.

    Thanks for stopping over yet again and serving as a punch bag for our daily workout. There are an awful lot of Iraqis that filter unseen through these boards, and I’m sure that they appreciate witnessing a racist warmonger like yourself getting beaten up over and over and over again.

    BTW, tell Jeffrey that if he wants to “punch somebody out” let him come himself instead of sending his little lackeys – ie you – to embarrass themselves with their demonstrable lack of insight. Simply spamming his BS like the good little tool you are, and resorting to the infantile insults you posted re. An Italian, convinces nobody.

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  115. Somebody explain to me how pulling out American troops from Iraq will stop Iraqi death squads from murdering Iraqi people in their homes. For that matter how will pulling out American troops keep radical jihadists from pulling people off of buses and shooting them...or from salafists blowing up Muslim shrines?

    And if any of you tinfoil hat wearing knuckleheads want to tell me that the CIA is actually doing these things from their secret bases on the moon...save it.

    For you rational people, I honestly understand if you thought the war was a bad idea. However, is it not possible to be against the war but for the peace? The war happened, the coalition invaded, Saddam is in jail and now there is an opportunity to make Iraq a shining beckon of hope to the rest of the folks living in the ME. It can be returned to its past glory and then some because it will be an example of how democracy can succeed in the Arab world. Why should we not be rooting for this?

    It seems like some people want them to fail because it will make the Americans look bad. Well understand that the coalition will leave one day and all this glee for their failure will mean that the regular Iraqi population is going to suffer under A. another secular dictatorship or B. an Islamic dictatorship or C. a state of perpetual warfare ala Afghanistan.

    Why would this be a good thing? Because it makes the US look bad?

    Put your blind hatred of the US aside and root for the Iraqi's for God's sake. If they succeed the coalition goes home and everyone is happy (except the terrorists).

    Being critical of policy is one thing but rooting for death, destruction and failure is abhorrent.

    God Bless the young men and women of the coalition who are over there risking their lives and are genuinely trying to help the Iraqi’s.

    God Bless the Iraqi's (soldiers, journalists, politicians and police) who aren't just sitting on the sidelines complaining about was has happened but are trying to build a better future for themselves, their families and their country.

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  116. Black is our future, black is everything back at home. But red are the pools of blood in which Iraq is down to the knee!

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  117. God bless the valiant Iraqi men and women who love their country, love one another whether they are Shia or Sunni or Kurd or Christian or Yazidi or Turkmen or Sabaean and fight for truth and honesty; fight that Iraq be sovereign and fight for Iraq to be free of all foreign occupation.

    Tex, let me put forth a scenario to you and see what you make of it.

    Say you live in an ugly, rough neighborhood. You don't trust your neighbors and have caught them a few times poisoning your dogs and cats.

    The neighbor on the right thinks you shouldn't live in your home and should let someone else he prefers live there.

    Your neighbor to the north believes your home was his home many years ago and is still bitter you live there.

    Two streets away is another neighbor who has attacked your house before and has called you an enemy and even said looks forward to the day your house collapses on you.

    By way of marriage, your family is not homogenous but rather mixed. Your brother married a Catholic woman, your son married a Muslim, and your mother is Navahoe. Life has been tense between all of you and your various differences but your home prevailed.

    Now, I come in to the neighborhood and live in the house of my friend.

    From that house of my friend, I use slingshots to hurl everything I can muster at you because I don't like you, because I find you a threat to everyone.

    Sometimes my slingshots fall harmlessly into your front yard. Sometimes, I am able to hurt your children with them.

    But you can't do anything about it.

    You cry foul and try and rally your neighbors whom you already do not trust but they keep to themselves.

    One day, I gather all the neighbors and point the finger at YOU TEXAG03 and scream "he is about to kill you all, he has new powerful slingshots and if we dont do something about it, he will give them to the criminals who roam the neighborhoods killing innocent people".

    I tell everyone all your slingshots are hidden in your backyard.

    TEX of course is outraged. "I don't have any such slingshots," you tell me as you tend to the wounds your son has incurred from my latest slingshot.

    Nevertheless, I come into your house, I beat up your sons and throw them in jail. I take all means you have to defend youself. Your cousins who had formed up to defend the perimeter of your house, I disband them, send them off to their corners of your home.

    I dig up your entire backyard, and your frontyard and your attic, the lavatory and dismantle everything you have built over dozens of years but I cannot find your slingshots.

    I turn around to all the neighbors and say "No Matter, the slingshots weren't important, but I am here now to build a just society".

    I destroy the roof of your home. Your most valued mercantile product I take over and give to my friends who corrupt it.

    I tear apart your literature because I do not like it. I rewrite your history for you.

    I set up camp over your ancestor's cemetary and turn it into a garbage dump.

    Ooops, sorry, that happened, I say and move elsewhere and do the same.

    The foundations of your house are now shaky from all the pounding I gave them. Many in your family have left to live in other neighborhoods.

    Those who could fix your house have been killed by me, by the neighbors you dont trust and those who survived have left.

    Every day someone in your house dies. Some one leaves.

    Your neighbor to the right who believes you should never have lived there in the first place, slowly slipped a few of his kin through the hole left in the hedges between your homes, which resulted from one of my slingshot hits.

    A few of this neighbor's kin now occupy many rooms in your house and speak freely as if it were there house.

    Your neighbor to the north has also quietly slipped his kin into a part of your house.

    Other neighbors, professing that you are too weak now to stand on your own, have also sent their kin to allegedly stabilize your house.

    As your house is on the verge of collapse, your family is fighting itself. I had asked that your Navahoe mother speak up for herself and demand a part of the house for herself.

    Your Catholic and Muslim kin also are swayed by the candy I offer them.

    And then one day, I pull you out in the street and humiliate you.

    "TEX, stand up for yourself, fix your house, if you don't no one will do it for you."

    "TEX, you are lazy and ungrateful and you constantly criticize me. Just shut up and fix your country."

    Then I proceed to kill one of your grandsons because I didnt like the way he looked at me and he wasn't being obedient. And now some of the neighbors who took over rooms in your house are fighting over which other rooms they are entitled to.

    So, TEX, what do you say? What would you do? Who would you blame?

    Please tell me what your rationale would do in this case and apply it.

    Or is the scenario to difficult for you.

    You call us blinded by hate for America. I say you are blined by hate for truth, logic and history.

    While we hear of holier-than-thou arguments why the US military should remain in Iraq, dozens of Iraqis are killed every day.

    During the US military tenure, it is death squads (trained by the US military) that now rule the streets.

    It is militia (trained by the US) that are murdering, kidnapping and raping people.

    So, what good does the presence do? How has the US military helped Iraq in the past three years?

    And given its performance and the political and security concerns which have culminated in that period, what can we expect in the next three years?

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  118. @ Treasure of Baghdad [Re: 'Rubin', 5/18/2006 9:46 AM.]

    Dear Trasure of Baghdad,

    I do know you have more important things to do (like surviving in the tragedy that US-'liberated' Baghdad is), but here we have a nice investigative promise on the part of our 'Rubin'. He wrote:

    "I have proof that you [An Italian.] posted in many blogs under these names..

    brown noser

    poseur putz

    idiotic fartqahsxd

    smelly wag finger".


    He has proof?

    Well, let's see it!
    (which is BTW impossible, since I like to keep my signature on all Iraqi blogs).

    Dear Treasure, this 'Rubin' has been spamming your blog with his grotesque lies and inventions for ages.

    I would advise you to kick the lying animal out, if he doesn't provide the "proof" of what he (slanderously) states.

    It wouldn't be a great loss for your comments page...

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  119. A reasoned rhetorical inquiry is met with more of the same, but fairly cleverly done--we are victims! Why are you not responsible for allowing your neighborhood to become such an overfowing cesspool to begin with TAI? Were you not all sharing the same toilet? Were you so accustomed to the odor that you thought you could just continue to live with it as it rose higher and higher? When it started offending the bigger city downstream, did you think they would just learn to live with the smell and the sickness that came with your waste just as you did? How deep were you willing to wade before you tackled the unpleasant task of clean-up and repair for your own sakes? So the city downstream decides they must send help to clean it up, by force if neccesary, and you respond by calling them arrogant and sling the shit you have come to regard as your 'culture' at him. You point at all the filth that brought him there and declare it his shit, that wasn't here before! Then you declare yourselves victims and the city dwellers as invaders because you find yourself neck deep in your own shit because instead of grabbing a shovel, you choose to take a dump in the town square, pick up rocks and prevent the outsiders and your own neighbors who would clean up after you from being successful because you are 'proud'. Well, OK, be proud, but I wish you could have kept your shit to yourself at the start.

    Allegories are fun! And don't really address problems or solutions, but that isn't what any of us are doing here anyway, so why not have fun? I know this is offensive to many, but when in Rome........

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  120. If TEXAG03 is supposed to be Saddam you make me/him sound like a rather innocent victim during this whole situation. If that is your perspective then we have a great many disagreements indeed.

    It would seem that you left out the fact that I brutalize my brother and sister. My mother-in-law is not allowed to leave the basement. I have murdered about 3 or 4 of my children because they were insolent. To top it off every once in a while I walk around the neighborhood pissing on everyone’s rose bushes and for I while I took over my neighbors house and kicked his kids around.

    Basically I don’t want to get into a debate about the justifications for war. My primary question was why people who are against the war seem so dead-set against the peace.

    “Nevertheless, I come into your house, I beat up your sons and throw them in jail. I take all means you have to defend yourself. Your cousins who had formed up to defend the perimeter of your house, I disband them, send them off to their corners of your home.”

    In retrospect it seems that everyone has admitted that the disbanding of the Iraqi Army was a mistake. If the coalition had it to do all over again I bet they would do a lot of things differently. I would imagine that wars rarely go according to plan.

    “Those who could fix your house have been killed by me,” by the neighbors you don’t trust and those who survived have left.”

    Again it seems that you left out the fact that some of this killing is Iraqi’s killing Iraqi’s or at the very least Arab’s killing Arab’s. If you think that it is secretly the American’s doing this or that somehow the American’s can stop it but don’t (or won’t), I simply cannot argue because those ideas are grounded in an alternate reality I don’t subscribe to.

    “Your Catholic and Muslim kin also are swayed by the candy I offer them.”

    Here we go. You believe that there is some sort of conspiracy that the Coalition is engaged in to cause this chaos. I can’t argue with that any more than I can argue with someone that firmly believes there is an alien base 10 miles below the surface of Mars…I certainly can’t prove there is not…so there is not much use.

    “And then one day, I pull you out in the street and humiliate you.

    "TEX, stand up for yourself, fix your house, if you don't no one will do it for you."

    "TEX, you are lazy and ungrateful and you constantly criticize me. Just shut up and fix your country."

    Then I proceed to kill one of your grandsons because I didnt like the way he looked at me and he wasn't being obedient. And now some of the neighbors who took over rooms in your house are fighting over which other rooms they are entitled to.

    So, TEX, what do you say? What would you do? Who would you blame?”

    You forgot to mention that you told me you would leave if my family would only stop fighting with each other. Once my family stops fighting you will leave and I can kick my neighbors out any damn way I please.

    Perhaps you are right and I cannot get my family to stop fighting. In which case there seems little hope unless someone comes along to terrorize the family into submission or I simply divide the house up and separate my family. I would only hope that those family members decide that neither of those options is very good. Hopefully they would rather stay a family and rebuild an even bigger and better house once we stop fighting and all my neighbors leave.

    “During the US military tenure, it is death squads (trained by the US military) that now rule the streets.”

    It is militia (trained by the US) that are murdering, kidnapping and raping people.

    So, what good does the presence do? How has the US military helped Iraq in the past three years?”

    These groups would never have existed without the US? The United States is responsible for creating the Mehdi Militia? If we would have simply kicked Saddam out of power and left 2 ½ years ago none of this would have happened? Or would you prefer that Saddam still be in power?

    “And given its performance and the political and security concerns which have culminated in that period, what can we expect in the next three years?”

    So then you do think that things would improve if America left? The salafists would stop murdering innocent Shiites and death squads would stop killing people because their names are Omar?

    I am truly sorry that anyone has live in the middle of this sort of battle. But really, one day the coalition will leave and I truly hope they leave under a condition of peace and not chaos. Because as much as some would prefer the chaos simply because it would make America look bad, I truly hope there are enough people actually in Iraq that want peace and are willing to fight for it.

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  121. This is the "freedom" that has been brought to Iraq, constant fear for one's well-being and not being able to walk down the street without looking over your shoulder and worrying wether or not this minute might be your last.
    I feel that it all comes back to the "divisions carefully fostered by an alien government" wherein the US followed a policy of divide and conquor when they took Iraq, and it has left the country more torn and divided than anyone could have imagined (CONGRATULATIONS America, you've succeeded! Give yourselves a big pat on the back!). A civil war was in the best interests of the occupying forces from the beginning, wherein if the Iraqis were fighting each other they would be too busy to fight the occupying army. It's yet another example of a complete disregard for the sanctity of human life.
    I hope you're safe BT.

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  122. texag03 said:

    In retrospect it seems that everyone has admitted that the disbanding of the Iraqi Army was a mistake.

    Actually, every *informed* expert recognizes that the very belief that the US "disbanded" the Iraq military is a MYTH. Lord knows I've done all I know of to help dispell it. I haven't found the stake or silver bullet that can finally kill that spector-ghoul once and for all. But here is one more attempt.

    The Iraqi military self-disbanded. Putting it back together would have required the US Army going into Kurdish and Shi'at towns an forcing young men back into their bases. It would have meant placing those arrested troops back under their Ba'athist commanders, who had been Saddam's direct agents oppressing Iraqis for 30 years. The Kurd's would have resisted with force and the Shi'at leaders said they would secede if that were attempted.

    One might as well lament the "disbanding" of Saddam's secret police (all of whom were on the run).

    In his interview with Kathryn Jean Lopez, Bremer addresses the following alleged mistakes:

    On disbanding the Iraqi Army

    He calls this the "biggest myth" regarding his time in Iraq. "The facts are these: There was not a single Iraqi army unit intact in the country at Liberation. There was no army to “disband.” It had “self-demobilized,” in the Pentagon’s phrase. Hundreds of thousand of Shia draftees, seeing which way the war was going, had simply gone home. They were not going to come back into a hated army. [That was precisely Kat's assessment in the comments of the "Mistakes" post. ]
    The army and intelligence services had been vital instruments of Saddam’s brutal regime. He had used the army in a years’ long campaign against the Kurds, killing tens of thousands of them, culminating in the use of chemical weapons against men, women, and children in 1988. The army had brutally suppressed the Shia uprising after the first Gulf war, machine gunning tens of thousands of Shia civilians into mass graves in the south. Together these two groups make up about 80 percent of the population. So recalling the Iraqi army (which would have meant sending American soldiers into Shia homes, farms, and villages and forcing them back into the army under their Sunni officers) would have had dire political consequences. The Kurds told me clearly that they would not have accepted it, and would have seceded from Iraq. Such a move would probably have ended Shia cooperation with the Coalition and perhaps even led to a Shi'a uprising, initially against such an Iraqi army, and eventually against the Coalition. [That argument sounds vaguely familiar to me.]
    But we knew we had to find a place in Iraqi society for the former army men. So we welcomed them back into the new army, including officers up to the level of colonel. And we started paying the other officers a monthly stipend, which continued right to the end of the occupation [that is, presumably, until July 2004].

    Not sending enough troops
    THIS he DOES believe was a mistake but he acknowledges that Rumsfeld was relying on the expertise of the Joint Chiefs "who thought more troops would make things worse."

    The truth is that more troops would have been a mistake. More troops, more offended honor (which Steven Vincent, who also thought more troops were necessary, conceded was at the root of much of the insurgency). More troops, more targets for al-Qaeda and Saddam's Orphans, more a casualties, more propaganda for those in America who wanted the Iraq initiative to fail.

    On deba'athification
    "We were right to exclude the top Baathist-party officials from government jobs. Saddam modeled the party, openly, on the Nazi party — even having young members report on their parents. Our policy was designed to only the top one percent of the party’s members. And we were right to say that the implementation had to be handled by Iraqis. Only they could make the narrow distinctions about which Iraqis had joined the party because they believed the ideology, and which joined just to get a job or because of threats to family members. My mistake was turning the implementation over to a political body, the Governing Council, where it became embroiled in Iraqi political maneuvering. I should have foreseen this and instead put a judicial body in charge of implementation."

    Failure to anticipate the hardened insurgency
    "The insurgency is the fault of the insurgents and the terrorism is the fault of the terrorists. But it is true that I felt we took quite a while to develop intelligence about the insurgency."

    Not moving fast enough toward Iraqi self-rule
    "I don’t see how it could have been done any more quickly."

    Being too isolated in the Green Zone
    "the Coalition had offices, staffed by Arabic speakers, in all 18 of Iraq’s provincial capitals. These brave men and women regularly moved around their districts and reported to us their impressions, spoke with leading Iraqis, and helped us build a large number of effective local organizations to draw more and more Iraqis into the political and economic life of the country."

    Failure to provide an "Iraqi face" to the liberation
    "We tried very hard to get Iraqi leaders to speak out, to their own people, and to the world. Some of them, especially those who had been under Saddam’s regime of terror, had no experience with dealing with the press and were reluctant to do so. Others did speak out, but they tended, quite understandably, to put the emphasis on speaking to the Iraqi people, in Arabic, through the Iraqi press. They were less visible on American TV."

    It's a very interesting interview. Check out the whole thing.

    Incidentally, here is an excerpt from Bremer's book, My Year in Iraq describing an event, as Bremer saw it, that showed the first signs of Iraqi national pride in their new government.

    There weren't a few *big* mistakes at the top from which all the troubles in Iraq flow. There were thousands of operational mistakes throughout the Iraq initiative committed by Americans and Iraqis. But most devastatingl are the scars that Saddam's rule, Arab Nationalism, and the increasing religious extremism in the M.E. We dragged Saddam from his spiderhole, but we can't dislodge the Saddams hiding in the hearts of every Iraqi that he brutalized and terrorized.

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  123. Bremer?

    You're quoting your boss now?

    Sheesh. Who next do we quote? George Bush? Or Richard Perle? Maybe Charles Krauthammer?

    Hell, let's just depend on the neocons.

    Bremer who couldn't wait to get out of the mess he knew he couldn't handle in Iraq.

    Bremer who was on a plane out of Iraq within minutes of handing "sovereignty" to the Iraqi death squads.

    Nice.

    What a farce. Yes, do buy his book so another neocon can make a buck off the blood of the Iraqi people.

    Khosh qashmara.

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  124. Iraq and ... Somalia?

    The WaPo says:

    More than a decade after U.S. troops withdrew from Somalia following a disastrous military intervention, officials of Somalia's interim government and some U.S. analysts of Africa policy say the United States has returned to the African country, secretly supporting secular warlords who have been waging fierce battles against Islamic groups for control of the capital, Mogadishu.

    The latest clashes, last week and over the weekend, were some of the most violent in Mogadishu since the end of the American intervention in 1994, and left 150 dead and hundreds more wounded. Leaders of the interim government blamed U.S. support of the militias for provoking the clashes.

    Oh, and wait, Afghanistan that beacon of success. No se hombre:

    From the Independent:

    But it is the international system that is sucking Afghanistan dry. Any returnee who speaks English can be guaranteed a job at a higher level in the UN, or the myriad big NGOs that have set up shop in Kabul.

    Ashraf Ghani, who was Finance Minister in the first year after the Taliban fell, and is now chancellor of Kabul University, says the international community has failed Afghanistan. Rather than build up the government, it has created a parallel system that has actively weakened the capacity of Afghanistan to run its own affairs.

    Mr Ghani's greatest fear is that by failing to empower the Afghan government, the world could be helping the Taliban to regroup, as they feed on the resentment of people at the slow pace of change. He says "The cheapest way of bringing development and security is government."

    The scale of the international machine has dwarfed the indigenous government. Large parts of the capital are closed to normal traffic because of security concerns. The remaining traffic paralyses the city for much of the day. To the east of Kabul the UN has built a headquarters, the size of a small town.

    The frustration of the Afghan government system at the way the money is spent surfaced at the London conference on funding earlier this year. A World Bank report that came out just before the conference calculated that 90 per cent of international development spending continued to flow outside the government.

    The report's author William Byrd, described it as an "aid juggernaut, still outside the budget and outside government control". He added: "It does not build domestic capacity which is what you need ..."

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    Iraqi police have accused American soldiers of executing 11 Iraqi civilians, including four children and a six-month-old baby, in a raid on Wednesday near the city of Balad, it was reported yesterday.
    The allegations are contained in an Iraqi police report on the killings, obtained and published by the Knight Ridder news agency. The report emerged at a time when a US navy criminal investigation is under way into a previous incident, in November, in which marines are accused of killing 15 Iraqi civilians in Haditha in reprisal for a bomb attack on a US patrol.

    Last week's incident in the village of Abu Sifa, near Balad, stand out because of the seriousness of the accusations and the fact that they appear on an official police report signed by Iraqi officers.

    After listing other incidents in the area, the report for March 15 states: "American forces used helicopters to drop troops on the house of Faiz Harat Khalaf situated in the Abu Sifa village of the Ishaqi district. The American forces gathered the family members in one room and executed 11 people, including five children, four women and two men, then they bombed the house, burned three vehicles and killed their animals." Among victims the report lists two five-year-old children, two three-year-olds and a six-month-old baby.

    The US military say that the deaths occurred when US troops raided a house in pursuit of an al-Qaida suspect and that only four people were killed. Major Tim Keefe, a US military spokesman in Baghdad said: "A battle damage assessment, the initial reports, said that what they saw were four people killed - a woman and two children and an enemy - and they detained an enemy."

    Brigadier General Issa al-Juboori, who runs the joint coordination centre in Tikrit, stood by the report and said he knew the police officer running the investigation. "He's a dedicated policeman, and a good cop," Gen Juboori told Knight Ridder. "I trust him."

    Both accounts of the incident agree there was a firefight in the early hours of the morning when US troops raided a house which an al-Qaida suspect was suspected to be visiting. The American account said the house collapsed as a result of the firefight, killing two women, a child, and a man believed to have al-Qaida links. The suspect survived and was captured. But the Iraqi police report suggests that the killings took place when the house was still standing. A local police commander, Lieutenant Colonel Farooq Hussain, said hospital autopsies "revealed that all the victims had bullet shots in the head and all bodies were handcuffed".

    Maj Keefe said: "I saw those [autopsy] photos and it didn't appear there were any handcuffs."

    In last year's Haditha incident, US troops are accused of killing civilians after a bomb attack. An initial marine report on the incident said a roadside bomb on November 19 last year killed a lance corporal and 15 Iraqi civilians. But further investigation revealed that the civilians had been shot with marine weapons after the blast.

    A nine-year-old survivor, Eman Waleed, who lived in a house 150 metres from the roadside bomb attack told Time magazine that after the explosion her father began reading the Qur'an. "First, they went into my father's room, where he was reading the Qur'an, and we heard shots," she said. "I couldn't see their faces very well, only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."

    Time quoted officials familiar with the investigation as saying the marines thought they heard a gun being cocked inside the house and feared they were about to be ambushed so they broke down two doors simultaneously and opened fire.


    IT LOOKS LIKE THIS INCIDENT IS PROOVING TO BE TRUE... IF IT IS SO THE AMERICAN ARMY SHOULD BE F*CKING ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES. OBVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T LEARN ANY LESSONS FROM LEUTENANT CALLEY'S LITTLE FIASCO IN VIETNAM...THE MEI LAI MASSACRE! IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE AMERICANS WINNING THE 'HEARTS AND MINDS'OF THE DOWNTRODDEN IRAQI PEOPLE THEN GOD HELP US ALL!!!!

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  126. greetings all,


    Brunhila the boxing fish,

    Just imagine an armless fish boxing! The very sight of it heh!

    The things Brunhila fancies herself to be are a marvel to behold.

    Well marvelous boxing fish, I see you're still speaking for all the "Muslim peoples" again.

    How about the Muslim nations.. or is it THE Nation? You speaky for them too!

    *sigh*

    fish: My point is that there is much reason for Islam to be angry.

    Themselves perhaps? 1.2 million reasons?

    fish: My point is that your actions are the cause of that anger.

    HA! I can feel The Raw Power!!! DAMN I love that Power, just imagine the fricken power to piss off 1.2 billion people! :-)~

    fish: My point is that despite these feelings of anger, Muslims overwhelmingly reject terrorism and similar tactics as a method of getting what they want.

    Oh really, like Like this perhaps?

    what about this piece of the Ummah?


    hey how would you rate this?


    fish: However, the longer Muslims feel threatened and under attack, the more the tactics and methods of the radicals become mainstream and legitimized.

    LOL! Thanks, she landed a Beautiful left hook right on her own fishy puss! Yes, Radical Islam is increasingly legitimate and mainstreaming now isn't it!

    Maybe you aren't so fu*cing dumb after-all! That wasn't very hard now was it?

    Box this armless fish! Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 6 Months

    and this...

    Muslims Create Islamophobes, Then Want Islamophobes Punished


    in summation then for the evening..

    fish: It's very unlikely, yes. But there are those with open(er) minds which you can shift a bit. Lynnette, who I initially couldn't stand, turned out to be a clever and debatable opponent. And Mark-in-chi-town managed to shift me from a position that US foreign policy is completely evil to a position that it is just mostly evil. Which is bad enough.

    LOL! and what a hefty sack load it must have been to shift!

    Mark wherever you are congratulations, for shifting the largest sack of bull shit ever! LOL!

    Sorry Mark but I'm gonna undo your work, for you see it's *my* job get the fish back to a full 100%!

    :-)~

    till mañana then....

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  127. 5/19/2006 11:16 AM Rubin said...

    Rubin, love ya man!! I haven't laughed so hard for ages....thanx for exposing the 'religion of peace' for what it truely is. A violent fascist ideology that is hellbent on superimposing themselves over all other religions and eventually ruling the planet by Shariah Law. I don't have time to blog as such, but I visit the site hoping to be treated by rare gems such as yourself....:))

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  128. How's this for PURE evil?

    April 24, 2002

    The "Life Is Sweet" Show:

    With the Family of Said Al-Khotari, the Suicide Bomber Who Blew Himself Up Outside the Dolphinarium in Tel Aviv, and Other Guests.
    (Aired from Jordan)

    Father #1: I have a son and I am already preparing him for martyrdom, either mine or his. I tell him that Allah made a vast Paradise, and that in it are things that the eye has not seen and the ear has not heard, things that a man could not even imagine. He asks me: 'If I carry out an operation and blow myself up, will Allah give me a car, a rifle to shoot with, toys?' I answer him, 'You will get everything you ask for.'

    Host: This really happened between you and your son?

    Father #1: This really happened.

    Interviewer: Hold the microphone together and we will ask what the right answer is to give a child who asks, 'Where is my father, or where is my mother after one or both of them has carried out a martyrdom operation?'

    Father #2- The father of Said Al-Khotari: The answer, in brief, is that when Said died a martyr's death, we said, he is a martyr, 'Do not consider those who died for the sake of Allah dead, but alive and sustained by their God,' and we calmed the children. When they came from the television channel, the Abu Dhabi channel I think, or another channel, we told them: 'We are willing to sacrifice our four children.' Then the smallest (fifth) child said: 'Why can't I?!'

    Omar, a Palestinian child: I wish to be a martyr for the sake of Allah and to kill some of the Jews and infidels who worshiped other gods next to Allah and his Prophet and followed a religion that Allah did not permit and which is not mentioned in the Koran. I am 12 years old and I memorize the Koran.

    Interviewer: May Allah protect you and make you a Jihad fighter for the sake of Allah.

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  129. Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

    "This is reminiscent of the Holocaust," said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles. "Iran is moving closer and closer to the ideology of the Nazis."

    Iranian expatriates living in Canada yesterday confirmed reports that the Iranian parliament, called the Islamic Majlis, passed a law this week setting a dress code for all Iranians, requiring them to wear almost identical "standard Islamic garments."

    The law, which must still be approved by Iran's "Supreme Guide" Ali Khamenehi before being put into effect, also establishes special insignia to be worn by non-Muslims.

    Iran's roughly 25,000 Jews would have to sew a yellow strip of cloth on the front of their clothes, while Christians would wear red badges and Zoroastrians would be forced to wear blue cloth.

    "There's no reason to believe they won't pass this," said Rabbi Hier. "It will certainly pass unless there's some sort of international outcry over this."

    Bernie Farber, the chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress, said he was "stunned" by the measure. "We thought this had gone the way of the dodo bird, but clearly in Iran everything old and bad is new again," he said. "It's state-sponsored religious discrimination."

    Ali Behroozian, an Iranian exile living in Toronto, said the law could come into force as early as next year.

    It would make religious minorities immediately identifiable and allow Muslims to avoid contact with non-Muslims.

    Mr. Behroozian said it will make life even more difficult for Iran's small pockets of Jewish, Christian and other religious minorities -- the country is overwhelmingly Shi'ite Muslim. "They have all been persecuted for a while, but these new dress rules are going to make things worse for them," he said.

    The new law was drafted two years ago, but was stuck in the Iranian parliament until recently when it was revived at the behest of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

    A spokesman for the Iranian Embassy in Ottawa refused to comment on the measures. "This is nothing to do with anything here," said a press secretary who identified himself as Mr. Gharmani.

    "We are not here to answer such questions."

    The Simon Wiesenthal Centre has written to Kofi Annan, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, protesting the Iranian law and calling on the international community to bring pressure on Iran to drop the measure.

    "The world should not ignore this," said Rabbi Hier. "The world ignored Hitler for many years -- he was dismissed as a demagogue, they said he'd never come to power -- and we were all wrong."

    Mr. Farber said Canada and other nations should take action to isolate Mr. Ahmadinejad in light of the new law, which he called "chilling," and his previous string of anti-Semitic statements.

    "There are some very frightening parallels here," he said. "It's time to start considering how we're going to deal with this person."

    Mr. Ahmadinejad has repeatedly described the Holocaust as a myth and earlier this year announced Iran would host a conference to re-examine the history of the Nazis' "Final Solution."

    He has caused international outrage by publicly calling for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

    Iran does not yet have nuclear weapons, but Tehran believed by Western nations to be developing its own nuclear military capability, in defiance of international protocols and peace treaties.

    The United States, France and Israel accuse Iran of using a civilian nuclear program to secretly build a weapon. Iran denies this, saying its program is confined to generating electricity.


    The cries of protest from the Islamic community is as deafening as they were during the rule of the Taliban, rivaling that of the great Mohammed cartoon uprisings. So when it hits the fan, we will all feel sorry for the individual Iranians who are 'innocent', but allowed their leaders to take them to a place the don't want to go and do not deserve---sound familiar? Blame it on the Joos and their neocon agents in the US, they are to blame. It has nothing to do with Islam or the culture where it dominates. It is Islamaphobia on the rise that threatens world peace!

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  130. Truth About Iraqis said:

    Yes, do buy his book so another neocon can make a buck off the blood of the Iraqi people.

    The people I know making a buck off the blood of the Iraqi people are those being paid $1000 a pop by the heroic Iraqi Resistance to plant bombs and abduct innocent people.

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  131. Anon: 5/19/2006 2:19 PM

    Human rights groups are raising alarms over a new law passed by the Iranian parliament that would require the country's Jews and Christians to wear coloured badges to identify them and other religious minorities as non-Muslims.

    *************************

    I pray that this is not true.

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  132. Oh, it's true.

    http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=11fbf4a8-282a-4d18-954f-546709b1240f&k=32073

    Don't worry. The good Muslims of the ME will never stand for this perversion of their faith by the ISLAMIC Republic. The Iranian Mullahs are forcing a showdown--actually two. First between themselves and the more moderate, modern Muslims, then with the West. It wouldn't surprise me if the moderates surrender and join the hard line while declaring themselves innocent victims of the insuing violence. Seems to be their favored modus operandi. It's easier.

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  133. I'm sorry, but to the anonymous who said that religious minorities in iran are supposed to start wearing badges, I can't find any evidence on any reputable Human Rights organisation that makes any mention of that at all. Perhaps you have some documentation? I think you've been duped by the US Propaganda Machine... They tried to make Saddam into Hitler in 1991 and now they're trying to do the same with Mahmoud, I think they got ya with their propaganda in that story.

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  134. The post I was referring to above is the one here. I don't see it mentioned anywhere, perhaps I should invite you to have a look at the US State Department's bureaus of propaganda, all easily accessible on the state department website. Or, if you would, you could provide whatever documentation you used to find that story...

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  135. http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060519-105912-5198r

    I found several news stories. This link is to United Press International---what do you want? This is pretty much breaking news, but I think there is enough out there already to think it is genuine. Does this seem so out of character for the fundamentalists? The last century where non muslims were not required to wear badges in Iran was an anomally, they are just returning to the good old days. They have been exerting their power outside and within Iran. When they announced they had 'joined the nuclear club', I don't think they were just blowing smoke. This is just a small taste of what the idiots would have in store. Repent, submit, or die. It isn't complicated or a new idea...

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  136. As the story spreads there is word that it may be inaccurate. Some say there has been a standing proposal for the badges, but no vote has yet taken place. But the part of the story saying that the Parliament has passed a dress code for all Muslims in Iran is true (which would make badges superfluous to those who choose not to adopt the Muslim dress code-- if all Muslims are to wear certain garb, then those who do not would appear to not be Muslim?) Anyway, that seems to be the current state of the story....

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