In 1999, I was a freshman in college. Living in a former secular country, most Iraqis had no difference in dealing with each other. In college, I had a wonderful group of friends, males and females. Our group consisted of two males and two females.I have to say that those days we spent at college were the best in my life. As a young man, I couldn’t continue to enjoy this period of life as I am supposed to. The war and the occupation destroyed my dreams and killed the vivid spirit of the youth inside me and the ones in my age, males and females.
My female friends did not put on scarf, like most Iraqi female students before the war. They did not even believe in putting it on.
Every year, there was a graduation celebration in colleges and universities marking the end of four-year undergraduate studies. University students decorate their colleges and sections with roses and colorful ribbons, female students dress up like models with their hair playing in the fresh air, and male students compete on who is going to dress more elegantly to look handsome. Female and male students gather according to their sections and hand in hand, they all dance on the loud DJ music.
Once, we were invited to attend a graduation party in the University of Technology. My group and some other female and male friends joined us to party. While we were walking, an apparently female student, putting on a black Burqa- a fuller version of Abaya- and a pair of black gloves, passed by. All of us laughed out loud. She was Yemeni, we discovered. “Oh my God,” said one of my female friends. “Why do they accept having such students in our universities? She is all covered. How can she read?”
Iraqi women did not believe in putting burqa. It wasn’t even in their dictionary. When we saw women wearing it, we said they were not Iraqis. They might be either Yemenis or probably from one of the Arab Gulf countries. However, some Iraqi women believe in putting the ordinary scarf, especially in religious areas like holy Najaf and Karbala. Most women there wear the scarf in devotion to God or to follow the traditional teachings of Islam.
This no longer exists. After the U.S.-led occupation to Iraq, religious parties brought by the occupier from neighboring Iran and from other countries imposed their own understanding of the scarf on the secular society. They started forcing women to wear scarves directly and indirectly.
Women, who joined these “religious” and political parties or trends, started the new trend of “religious fashion”: Wearing Burqa and gloves to hide their faces and hands. Not only this, they started giving lectures to the newly joined female members to make them spread the idea of wearing hijab and burqa.
A colleague of mine emailed me a disgusting photo of how this issue is changing the shape of the Iraqi women who once were ones of the most fashionable women in the world in former cosmopolitan cities like Baghdad, Basra, and Mosul. I was so disgusted when I saw the photo. Inside me, I was shouting “Nooooooo. It shouldn’t be like this. We were not like this. Enough distortion and abuse to the women.”
This disaster continues. The Parties’ TV stations are doing the same thing. Iraqi Islamic Party’s Baghdad Sunni channel and SCIRI’s Al-Furat Shiite channel introduce their programs with fully-scarfed anchors to make the people get used to their ugly faces.
The new dictators of the “new” Iraq are doing things that Iraq’s former dictator did not do. As 24 Steps to Liberty said in his latest entry: “When they invaded Iraq, they didn’t have an already-formed Iraqi government to take place after Hussein’s was toppled… Their only advisors were Iraqis who’ve never been to Iraq in the last 40 years at least.”
These puppets came with their hatred to impose their masters’ orders as to make the first step to fulfill their dream of forming a religious state replacing the secular one once ruled by Saddam.
Update to Adhamiya clashes:
This morning, I woke up on the sounds of the shootings and explosions rather than the sound of my alarm. “Nothing new,” I said within myself. I took a shower, had my breakfast while the sound of the daily shootings was mixed with the songs of Fayrouz, the Lebanese famous singer which I listen to when I have breakfast everyday.
As usual, my mother insisted that I don’t go to work and as usual, I refused. Eventually, I left to work while the sound of heavy shooting was still continuous.
The clashes erupted in Adhamiya this morning at 7 a.m. after a quite night. A friend of mine who works at a government institution in Waziriya near Adhamiya said that he saw at least two armed men disguised in kaffiyas and carrying RPJs on his way to work, specifically in Raghiba Khatoon neighborhood, near Adhamiya. He also said he saw at least three police pick up trucks with dead bodies covered with blood, some where in police uniform and others were covered with winter blankets.
Another friend who lives near Nida mosque near Adhamiya has just emailed me. He wrote, “Heavy shooting is being heard near my Neighborhood ( Near Al-Nida’a Mosqe) since the early hours of the morning ( especially at 7 a.m ) and till now. You can still, hear rounds of shots in the far distance and lots of sirens. The sounds of shooting suggest that it is coming from a heavy caliber Machine Guns ( BKCs and up)”
I will keep you posted with anything new comes up…

Ahhhh, Treasure, for the first time in my life, with all the stories of shooting, bombing, shooting, bombing and more of the same, I wish I had an old Vietnam story to tell you...
ReplyDeleteSo, I have to take up another of your minor topics, college life.
I remember moving into the dormitory on my college campus. It was the newest building, 3 stories, pink granite plates covered the concrete structure, and the design was Ivy League traditional. It was named for the family in Louisianna which owned a HUGE garden in or near New Orleans. And they donated money to build our dorm, It housed about 210 students. It was the largest dormitory on campus in those days! I moved into the top floor. My mother's mouth fell open when she saw the stairs we had to climb with all my possessions I brought to school. Boxes of books, a better mattress, a chest of drawers had to be carried up. My father and I were not able to do it. So we looked around and then waited for someone to come by. There was a large oak tree in the front "yard" area about 20 meters from the front door. We sat down I bought one of those 15 cent CocaColas in a bottle with the name of the city on the bottom for all 3 of us. After about 20 minutes some LARGE guys came by and started into the dorm. I asked them for help. All these guys were about 6'2 to 6'4" and weighed about 240 lbs., not big by today's standaards but BIG back then. Two of them came over and picked up the tiny chest of drawers like it was made for a doll house and kept on talking and laughing while carrying the furniture with one hand. We were walking behind them nervously watching them gesture this way and that while holding my precious 4 drawer chest of drawers. UP UP the stairs they went and the furniture dancing in the air. It seemed to be riding a wave of laughter, or tossed by a stormy wave..I was right behind them and wondered what effect I would have if the leg of the drawers at the bottom, shaped like a lion's paw, suddenly broke off?? Could I stop the furniture from crashing int o Mother, Father and I??? or it coud go over the hand rail and smash down on to the floor 3 stories down. By the way 1 story up was about 15 feet, so by the time we reached the last circle of the stair well railing, it was 45 feet down to the entrance floor! This four drawer chest was pretty old and cheap to start with, if it fell over the edge 45 feet down it would smash into kindling! But luckily it survived and they put it in my room. Then back down the stairs I went and back up again and down and back and down and back. I was exhausted after 4 trips! I don't remember how many steps for each floor...but it was alot. This was September, and HUMID, Humid, HUMID weather. I was "sweating like a pig" as we say in the South. My father, in those days was in great shape, he used to play football when he was in college, and if you saw his physique then, you would think he was still playing. But actually he was working hard for a house building supply company, as a salesman outside carrying lumber and house/kitchen/bathroom parts for customers. My mother was a bank manager so she wasn't strong enough to do much more than carry a few books at a time. She didn't wear shoes to do work in, so she stayed upstairs and helped move things around. That was the first time to move away from home. I would later have my first roommate, and we shared a bath and double sink with 2 more 3rd year students. Gee, that dorm was brand new when we moved in. Now I wonder if it is still there?
التطرف الأميركي يولد تطرفاً في المقابل.. الأيام القادمة للأسف هي الأيام الذهبية للإسلاميين. والانتخابات في مصر العراق فلسطين تؤكد ذلك.
ReplyDeleteعن الحجاب أنا شخصياً ضده. بفهم انو ممكن يكون حرية شخصية أو حتى دينية رغم اختلاف الفقهاء في هذه المسألة لكن ما أعارضه هو تحوله لمدلول سياسي في المقام الأول وإن كانت الحجج التي يسوقونها حجج دينية. اما البرقع.. آخ من البرقع.. ما في شي من الاسلام اسمو برقع..لازم نفرق بين اللباس الاجتماع واللباس الديني، والتقاليد التي اعتاد عليها المجتمع وماهو موجود في الدين. وقال شو؟ يبررولك البرقع بأنه فقط للفتاة الفائقة الجمال (الله يحفظ مشايخ السعودية اللي طلعو بهالفتوى(.. طيب ماشي.. فائقة الجمال؟؟ مين بحدد أصلاً انها جميلة؟ الجمال نسبي! ومقاييسه تختلف من منطقة لأخرى. الفتاة الجميلة بالنسبة لي قد تكون بشعة لك! !!
I wonder if you believe in democracy? You see, the difference between American democracy and what Arabs consider democracy is that American democracry allows everyone to express themself without denigrating different views.
ReplyDeleteAs a human, you have the right to your personal views. But there is no reason for a 'reporter' to call women 'ugly' because they follow a different lifestyle than himself.
And there is something that you fail to recognize. You believe that women are being brainwashed into this 'fashion.' Well, as a highly educated, free-thinking woman, I am insulted that you think women are 'stupid' enough to dress in a way that they are not fully convinced of. I am proud of my dress, and I am proud to say that I have chosen to dress this way on my own, without any form of brainwashing. If a woman chooses to dress otherwise, that is her choice and I do not believe that she is 'ugly' or stupid for her choice of dress.
Such bigotry will not allow Iraq to become the democracy that you hope it to become.
fine comment by Fatima.
ReplyDeleteMany of us are often careless about
focussing on the message and getting distracted by demonizing the messenger.
Fatima, you miss the point. You were born and raised in the US, by your own admittance.
ReplyDeleteDo you remember how Iraqi society was in the 70s's the 60's and 50's? Even in the 80's?
You missed this gem of a paragraph:
"However, some Iraqi women believe in putting the ordinary scarf, especially in religious areas like holy Najaf and Karbala. Most women there wear the scarf in devotion to God or to follow the traditional teachings of Islam.
This no longer exists. After the U.S.-led occupation to Iraq, religious parties brought by the occupier from neighboring Iran and from other countries imposed their own understanding of the scarf on the secular society. They started forcing women to wear scarves directly and indirectly."
Re-read carefully.
BT is not condemning the wearing of these garments. Neither am I. But women in Iraq do not have a choice anymore. THAT IS THE CRUX of this post.
Again: "...forcing women to wear scarves directly and indirectly."
If you have chosen to dress this way on your own, well good, I support you for EXERCISING YOUR CHOICE.
My aunt (allah yer7amha) was veiled wearing the scarf on her head and dressing conservatively. But her daughter wasn't. Until now. I asked her why.
She said "women who aren't veiled are more likely to be kidnapped, raped, or killed".
THIS IS YOUR FREEDOM OF CHOICE?
And this in Mosul.
My cousin forced his 12-year-old daughter to wear the veil for security purposes as well.
Wear it or be killed. I suppose you believe that is enshrined in democracy as well.
Is that your definition of human freedom or justice?
That imposition is itself UGLY. It is alien to Iraqi society whether you like it or not.
What happened to "there is no compulsion in matters of the faith"?
Or have we chucked Surat Al Baqara out the window?
Furthermore, the condition of Iraqi women has been reversed dozens of years. Many don't leave their homes. They no longer contribute to civil society.
Iraqi women were the envy of all other Arab women.
And please, talking about Uday raping women is hardly a counterargument. More women are raped in Iraq now because of thousands of Udays running around.
Back to BT's fine post, Hilary Clinton remarked that women were better prior to the invasion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086691/posts#comment
You talk about democracy. Sorry but democracy means each citizen has an equal vote and that the populace is represented.
Democracy=REPRESENTATIVE Governance.
As in POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
Iraq's population is over 55% women. Are they REPRESENTED?
Are their complaints heard?
Are they visible in government?
Do they hold posts of influence?
In the last elections, women didn't even have to vote, they could send their husbands to vote on their behalf if they took their ID cards.
Could a woman vote different from her husband? Hmmm?
Don't wave the flag of democracy unless you really understand what it means.
And just last week a report saying the exact same thing:
"Under Saddam, she said, ''women could go out to work, university and get married or divorced in civil courts. But at the moment women have lost almost all their rights and are being pushed back into the corner of their house."
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32693
This is not a medal for Saddam's record. This is a simple declaration of the facts as they were.
Thank U, please keep the updates on the Adhamiya
ReplyDeleteThank you for bringing this issue, Treasure! It's true that we haven't had such thing in Iraq before the war. I remember that when I resumed college after the war, morning and evening classes had to take lectures together on the same time and place. There was a student from the evening class whom we hadn't seen before was wearing this Burqa. It was very weird to see her, especially when she was wearing all in black and the weather was hot like hell in May. We all got frustrated about that, and one of my friends (Attawie) used to say that maybe this isn't even a girl! This might be a man, a theif, a terrorist or anything that can be dangerous. She was even wearing black sunglasses at calss!!
ReplyDeleteMany people in the west think that women in Iraq dress in that way. I was asked about it so many times.
As for the continuos bombings, I live at the end of the highway from Nida mosque, I can hear all the bombings and shooting that happen in Adhamiya.. it's so bad indeed. The other night I couldn't sleep, I was listening to the explosions and shooting and thinking of how many people might have died in that moment. I don't think it will stop anymore!
Take care and stay alive!
This violence sounds terrible. Stay safe you guys.
ReplyDeleteTreasure: I have to disagree with you. You imply that the USA brought Islamic (or Shiite) fundamentalism to Iraq. That notion is crazy. The USA set up a fair and honest election in Iraq. The UIA won 41% of the vote--nearly equalling the combined vote total of the next 3 parties.
(Neither Treasure nor 24 Steps voted in these elections.)
Would it have been more fair to somehow rig the elections so that the 20% Sunni-secular minority won? I think not.
It is simply a sad fact that you have a lot of dumb fundamenalists in your country. I have no idea what you are going to do about that.
Do attitudes change? Sure they do. I am sure the women will not easily forget being forced to wear these crazy clothes. I am sure the women of Iraq resent these changes and will very deeply remember them in the next election--if that election is allowed to happen under fair circumstances.
Original_Jeff, technically free and fair elections are not enough for Democracy. When you go abruptly from an authoritarian regime to free elections, without having formed real political parties (and not the fig leaves for religious sects), civil society, and the civic discourse on different ideologies and ways to move a country forward, people tend to fall back to most basic and unsophisticated identities - ethnic and religious, and then vote on that basis. NOT good for Liberal Democracy, and not just the crude rule of majority...
ReplyDeleteHey Truth about Iraqis,
ReplyDeleteI am not missing the gem of the article. I am making a point on a major trend of this entry- the denigration of women who cover. If you reread the entry, you will see that BT mentioned the story of the Yemeni student on campus who his friends and himself laughed at when they saw her. You will also read his description of the news anchors who cover and force their 'ugly faces' on their audience.
This is what I am replying to. When I refer to a democracy, I refer to much more than the political process. I refer to the whole society it spawns, a society based on freedom of choice and respect of different choices. Unlike BT, I did not attack women who do not cover; it is their choice. In fact, I personally am friends with Baghdadi women who do not cover. I do not think of them as 'ugly' or repressed because they choose differently than I do.
At the same time, I do have a neighbor who occasionally covers because she is afraid of reprisals from extremists. And I have heard of extremists in Mosul who threaten women who do not cover, and men who shave their beards. I think that is despicable. I do believe in freedom to choose, in 'no compulsion in religion.'
So, do not put words in my mouth.
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ReplyDeleteTreasure, you are a treasure. thank you for drawing our attention to this. i totally get your point. i, of course, hate the scarf and its garnish, but i never intervene in this. if a woman chooses to hide under Hijab, she can do it, even in July and August. it is her choice and i respect that. she will only lose the chance to be my wife!!
ReplyDeleteHi there guys,
ReplyDeleteThank you for all your prayers for my safety. I really appreceiate it. I am glad that some of you liked this entry. However, I noticed some of the readers misunderstood the main theme of it. I will comment on my own view point:
Hilal,
Thank you for your meaningful words. As you said, the Saudi Sheikhs did a terrible mistake by doing so. There is no text in Quran and Islam that says the women should cover her face and hands. They changed the explanation of the actual verse that says women should wear scarves but they are allowed to show their faces and hands.
Fatima,
I think you misunderstood my main theme here. You should differentiate between what I said about the Burqa and the actual hijab. I have no objection about Hijab if the women wear out of devotion to God. But if it is a trend brought to a secular society to forces women to wear it, I consider as dangerous as beheading an honest civilian.
You said, “But there is no reason for a 'reporter' to call women 'ugly' because they follow a different lifestyle than himself.”
In my own point of view, if women are forced to wear, they are turned form beautiful or normal into ugly.
You also said that you were “insulted that you think women are 'stupid' enough to dress in a way that they are not fully convinced of.”
Well, I did not mean to insult you. You misunderstood my point. I think you are mixing the ones who wear burqas with the ones who wear normal hijab and thought that I am attacking you.
And by the way, Iraq will never be a “real democratic country”. Let’s not deceive ourselves. At least I am speaking from the middle of the action. I think you can see what “democracy” brought to Iraq.
Ladybird,
You are most welcome. Thank God, all is fine in Adhamiya now. I called my friend this morning. He was on his way to work. Streets are open now, curfew is lifted, and even students went to schools this morning.
Good evening, I just returned from teaching children English.
ReplyDeleteWhen we first moved to Japan, long long ago, when my hair was naturally black. Early one morning, at the beginning of the kindergarten year, (the school year begins in April). I was standing out with our two daughters waiting for the preschool and kindergarten bus. The buses for pre-school and kindergarten are very imaginative in Japan. This one had a n outside form of a large steam engine (Thomas, in the British children's story)attached to the outside of both sides and front of the bus. It pulls up the doors open, a cute always female helper gets down and stands to the side and says ,"Goodmorning children. Are you you happy that you are going to school (in Japanesese ;-)? Then, she did something that shocked me. We were there first, but she moved all the girls to the rear of the line, all the boys moved to the front, then the shortest was first until the tallest was last. So our oldest daughter was always going to be the last child on the bus. As long as she went to that school.
Why? What is the point?
There are clearly some preferable seats, because of the shape of the Steam Engine, some windows are blocked and some aren't. And there may be other reasons to want to sit with others, I don't know, but I think not having a choice is wrong. In traditional Japan (or the remaining attitude of this conservative kindergarten) females learn to choose what is left over. After all the boys get to choose their seats., I stood watching this. My wife had come up beside me, She said,"Don't you say a word! This is Japan. We do things differently here. You are not going to make our daughter miserable, simply because you have an opinion about equality of men and women."
The process of teaching girls (and boys) their place in society, happens before they realize it is happening. So, I began to think about this from the standpoint of the peace of the society. I don't want people yelling and demanding that others "have to be equal in the same way". Of course clothes, and position in line, and peer pressure to make girls stay away from math and sciences, all this has a total effect to handicapp society.
BUT my friends, we are all, East and West, children of a twilight generation, in my opinion. Some are taught to honor the traditions, and they have learned from a very early age to obey. And some are brought up to look to new ideas. All that is new is not necessarily good. And all that is traditional is not necessarily repressive. We must have people put down their weapons, though for this kind of dialogue to happen. Guns in Iraq might now be as easy to get as in the USA (welcome to American culture!)
PS. I read that in 2001 Iraqi women were 62% of the total pop. Who knows what it is now!
Artu said...
ReplyDelete" Original_Jeff, technically free and fair elections are not enough for Democracy. When you go abruptly from an authoritarian regime to free elections, without having formed real political parties (and not the fig leaves for religious sects), civil society, and the civic discourse on different ideologies and ways to move a country forward, people tend to fall back to most basic and unsophisticated identities - ethnic and religious, and then vote on that basis. NOT good for Liberal Democracy, and not just the crude rule of majority... "
This bears repeating. It is stated beautifully and simply, and fully describes the problems that the invasion brought. A more gradual shift to a democratic basis without this apocalyptic invasion would have allowed time for attitudes to mellow and not harden around whichever strongman people thought would be able to most protect them.
Baghdad Treasure, Fatima and TAI --
Um. I don't wish to intrude on an argument where I may come out missing body parts, but on the subject of the burka / hijab I believe that you are all on the same side. Read each other's comments again and see.
Baghdad Treasure --
Thanks for the update on Adhamiya. Do you have any idea of what the entire shooting episode was actually about? As in, exactly who was involved and why?
Hi guys,
ReplyDeleteI’d like to tell you that I had to delete the latest entry about the “beheading of the teachers” reported by AP. After reading the links you’ve provided and doing some calls to confirm the news, it turned out that it was not true.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
Thank you for all the links you provided. You are playing a big role in revealing the truth in Iraq even though you may live far away.
Treasure of Baghdad
male and female,
ReplyDeletethe two wings of one bird. Both wings must be balanced for the bird to soar into the heavens. As children of the half-light, we can't really clearly see how this will be accomplished. This isn't just political or just a matter of social recognition or just a combination of the two. It is spirtual issue.
Have any of you worked for a woman lawyer? The point is that equality now, for alot of professional women, is how to be "like a male". Or how to be tougher than men! But this isn't what makes women unique in what they have to offer in solving a complex social problem. If everyone thinks "like men". We're doomed!
And what is the "woman's point of view" that is so unique and valuable? I don't think I have an answer, to this. Because we are struggling to understand who and what we are. I am talking about a spiritual understanding of who we are. Spirits don't have a sexual identity, but the spirit combined with the physical body creates a unique identity...
I can only struggle for words to hint at what their unique perspective, even on a scientific problem might be. I honestly don't think clothes or fashion has any effect on the underlying uniqueness. It is merely a challenge for the educational process: mental, physical, and spiritual, to bring these unique qualities out into the open. Then the atmosphere of the community must be nurturing to encourage the woman/girl to speak out and not be afraid of professional intimidation or worse, harassment. I don't expect much to change in my daughter's life time. Perhaps her children's.
TOB said: "And by the way, Iraq will never be a “real democratic country”. Let’s not deceive ourselves. At least I am speaking from the middle of the action. I think you can see what “democracy” brought to Iraq."
ReplyDeleteThis is a true statement as long as Iraq is ruled by those who believe in the extreme teachings of Islam.
Islam as practiced by the "true believers" allows no respect for women, no room for women to have any choices, except those outlined in blood in the Qur'an and it's attending attachments.
Islam's personal code tells Muslims (1) to follow Islam's rules without deviation in order to further Islam, and (2) to protect Islam at all costs. An individual has value only with regard to these two guiding principles. Compliance requires complete obedience and forbids questions. Every thought and every activity of daily life must be carried out solely to serve Islam; how to serve Islam has been spelled out in excruciating, micro-micro-managerial detail.
Islam decides what constitutes good and evil. Whatever Allah does is good. Obeying Islam under all circumstances is good. Islam itself is quintessential good, because it is the will and word of Allah found in the Qur'an, the Ahadith, and in the Shariah (laws). Everything else is evil -- absolutely everything else. As astonishing as this seems, it is how Islam operates, and over a billion Muslim robots obey because they believe.
The "invaders" and "democracy" are not the cause or the reason the women are hated, despised and mistreated in Iraq and elsewhere...
Islam is.
Papa Ray
West Texas
USA
Iraqi Freedom Fighter will battle those Bader thugs ,the so called concil for Islamic Revelutio is complet joke.I want to ask them to change their name to concil of highest collaboraters and traiters ,they will not last 24 houre without criminal American invaders.
ReplyDeletePapa Ray, so typical, so racist, so full of hatred.
ReplyDeleteIslam is not an extremist religion, it has no extremist teachings, but there are extremist people. When Crusaders butchered tens of thousands of Jews and Muslims no one said Christianity was an extremist religion.
When Charlemagne beheaded tens of thousands on the same day because they did not adhere to his particular brand of Christianity, no one called it an extremist religion.
When Hitler, a Catholic, murderd 6 million Jews, or when the US firebombed Dresden or nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, no one said Christianity was an extremist religion.
When Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, no one said Christianity was an extremist religion.
When 800,000 Hutus and Tutsis were massacred in Rwanda while the WEST stood by, no one said Christianity was an extremist religion.
I can go on and on and on to show that tens of millions of people have been killed in the name of Christianity or by Christians but that this does not make Christianity an extremist religion.
I tell ya what, read the Quran from cover to cover. Do you have the mental fortitude to do so?
What is it you fear? Are you afraid that in reading the Quran from cover to cover you may be inclined to convert.
Please. Do read it.
I am a true believer, Papa Ray, and I respect my female kin as I respect women around me.
As a true believer, it is incumbent upon me to remember and uphold the teachings that men and women are twin-halves.
The Quran does not have attending attachments.
Islam does not have a "personal code". Where is this coming from?
We don't serve Islam, we serve God in performing righteous deeds on this earth. These are the teachings of Islam. To ensure there is social justice. To resist temptation. To respect our mothers and fathers and take care of them as they age for the great debt we owe them for nurturing us and taking care of us when we couldn't take of ourselves.
To take care of the poor and the orphaned.
The Ahadith are not the word of God.
The Shariah are not the word of God.
Islam does not hate women. Read Genesis in the Bible.
"16 Unto the woman he said,
I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;
in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."
Yet, no one is calling Christianity (Old + New Testament) evil and extremist.
Maybe you should have read:
"O mankind! Verily We have created your from a single (pair) of a male and a female,m and made you into nations and tribes that you may know each other... (Qur'an, 49:13; cf. 4:1).
"Never will I cause to be lost the work of any of you, be he male or female; you are members, one of another... (3:195; cf 9:71;33:35-36;66:19-21).
It is important to state here that the Bible, as the Quran, must be taken as WHOLES, not parts.
One may choose to quote passages and verses but they come to naught. It is the message of the ENTIRE texts that are relevant.
Many weak-minded peoples blame the faith itself rather than blaming the adherents.
Islam is pure. Muslims are not necessarily so.
Remove hatred from your heart. Embrace the commonality of all humans and the oneness of God.
You will not evolve till you do.
a few comments on a few topics.
ReplyDelete1) When I was hit by a pick up truck while on my bicycle, in August, on county highway in the woods of South Carolina. And someone picked me up, (another pick up truck) and tossed the bent bicycle in the back, they heard me moaning. I don't remember, but they said I was calling out for my...........father? No. I was calling my Mother's name.
The point I want to make is the power of the woman, Usually she becomes a mother. It is much much better for the future generations and for society to have an educated woman than an educated man. Let us sit and scratch our bellies in ignorance! For the sake of the children, it is better to have an educated and wise woman. If we, as a small community, cannot educate everyone. The first to be educated should be the women. Let us men go out into the fields or factories or offices like beasts, to sweat each day for our bread. But let the woman receive education so that the next generation, that calls out to their mother, will learn something better about peace and prosperity.
Secondly, 90% of human history has seen the rule of men. We cannot judge if it would have been different in a matriarchial civilization, but now it is the time for women to gain power and say, "I will not let my son, much less my daughters, go out and kill for peace!" Let's vote for the woman! If there is a tie between any woman, and any man in the number of ballots for leadership in a community. For the sake of trying something better, something different, let the tie go to the woman!
CAN WOMEN DO WORSE THAN IRAQI MEN IN THE GOVERNMENT!!!!
I would hope that the women, if given a chance, would say, "ALL POLITICAL PARTIES ARE ABOLISHED!!!!!
THERE is only 1 party, the party of the Iraqi family. All our decisions will be based on what is best for the family, FOR THE FAMILY IS THE FUNDAMENTAL UNIT OF SOCIETY!!!!!!
Here in the US we might get a choice between two women for president next election. It could be Condi Rice vs. Hillary Clinton. I don't think things would change very much with either one.
ReplyDeleteFrom Mexico, first of all, keep safe.
ReplyDeleteI'm deeply impressed after reading your post as well as some other blogs from your links.
On August 1997, we were spending some time in Paris and we (my brother and a friend of mine: Leon)met a couple of young Iraqi guys. We spent all night having great time finding out common points of view as well as culture issues. They tried singing mariachi songs (mexican folclore in spanish)and we listen to them sing.
I remeber quite well that one of them was christian and the other one muslim. And they were telling us of Iraq as a cosmopolitan country.
Unfortunately, we lost their way, eventhough greetings for them Nashwab and Sipan as well as for all you people trying to build a better country, a better world.
I'll link this site to mine, if any problem, please let me know.
THE YEAR 2006 AD
ReplyDeleteTAI: When Charlemagne beheaded tens of thousands on the same day because they did not adhere to his particular brand of Christianity, no one called it an extremist religion.
TAI: beheaded tens of thousands on the same day >cite please.
Charlemagne
Charlemagne 742 or 747 – 28 January 814
Imperator Augustus in Rome on Christmas Day, 800 by Pope Leo III and is therefore regarded as the founder of the Holy Roman Empire (as Charles I).
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TAI: When Hitler, a Catholic, murdered 6 million Jews..
The allegation is sometimes made that Hitler was a Catholic
- a Christian until the day he died. This claim is based upon the fact that Hitler was born and raised in a Catholic family.
However, as an adult, Hitler specifically rejected the Catholic Church, as well as Christianity in general. He described himself as "a complete pagan".
>Many Muslims deny the holocaust ever happened, don't they? Hitler rejected his parents religion.
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TAI: When 800,000 Hutus and Tutsis were massacred in Rwanda while the WEST stood by, no one said Christianity was an extremist religion.
Not true, the "WEST" did a hell of allot more than the "Middle East" or the plain "East".
But that's not news is it, just like Earthquakes and Tsunamis It's the "WEST" who does the heavy lifting.
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TAI, next you'll be telling us that Islam is the Religion of Peace® .
No one absolutely no one is buying that stock TAI.
But have you heard about Nigerian Mining Properties Stock?
My understanding is that religions, by definition, are exclusive and categorical, no matter which specific religion we are talking about. The liberal and tolerant democracy has developed in spite of religions, not because of them. Western democracies are NOT Christian; simply Christianity reformed and adjusted not to lose its relevance in an increasingly scientific and REASONABLE Western society. If American Founding Fathers clang to pure Christianity the US would not have become a democracy. Thomas Jefferson understood it best, that is why he was "maligned" in the press of the time as an "atheist"! (By the way, I believe he was, since no wise and self-respecting person can be worshipping something of which existence he/she cannot be even sure.)
ReplyDeleteIslam DESPERATELY needs reform! Not by outsiders - never, but by its own wise and thinking adherents. The counterpart of "separation of church and state" has to be discussed and welcomed, instead of radicalizing further and further. Malaysia is an educational example in that respect, and not, say, Saudi Arabia.
Artu (Fatima, check below) -
ReplyDeleteIslam does not need reform. Muslims do.
Please understand the distinction.
Weak-minded people, such as Anon and Papa Ray, find it easy to lament the untangible.
Islam does not have any answering to do, but the ways Muslims - as Christians, Jews, Buddhists and others - conduct their lives and interact with others is pivotal here.
Don't fall into the trap of attacking a faith because of the failures of its adherents.
Oh, and one further point, Fatima, you are high and mighty about what BT wrote about the enforcement of a dress code on Iraqi women yet when some choose to attack your faith, you are ominously silent.
Very, very telling.
Truth about Iraqis,
ReplyDeleteWhen I say Islam needs reform, I naturally understand that its adherents (the Muslims) need to have a new outlook, adjust to modern realities, and especially pay attention to the concept of "separation of church and state".
Islam by itself, without Muslims, doesn't even make much sense to me. Is it just Koran? Of course, I am not advancing an idea of rewriting Koran... When I wrote in my previous post about the reform that Christianity underwent, I equally naturally did not mean that its scripture, the Bible, was changed, but that its adherents (the Christians) reasoned, critically analyzed, and adjusted their outlooks on many aspects of their lives. And that was a good thing, for them and for the world. Blind fanatical religious wars stopped!
The Muslims need to undergo similar rethinking and recasting, the process that IS going on among the wisest and most concerned part of the Muslim community, partly in response to oversimplified and apocalyptic interpretations of Islam by irrecoverable Jihadists who see only the Holy War and infidels. Again, this is very similar to medieval Christian Holy Warriors. Both of these groups would not stop at killing and massacring THEIR OWN believers if for some reason the latter would not conform to Holy Warriors' interpretation of the religion. That page is, mercifully, turned over in Christianity by Christians themselves. The same needs to be done in Islam by Muslims themselves.
P.S.
ReplyDeleteTruth about Iraqis,
If you don't see the idea of "reform" the same way I do then could you explain what you meant by "Islam does not need reform. Muslims do"?
How should Muslims reform, in your view?
Thanks,
artu, or artashes (I use them interchangeably)
artu, or artashes (I use them interchangeably), ;0)
ReplyDeleteYes, you basically have the crux of it.
Unfortunately, those Jihadists you refer to have been the focus of the media because it makes for good Hollywood folly.
Not only have they hijacked the tenets of Islam but have tainted the word Jihad itself, a beautiful word expressing the wilful human struggle to battle inner demaons and institute a system of social justice.
So, in essence, yes, in line with themes you touched on.
And I should add,those "jihadists" as you put it, represent 1% of 1% of all Muslims.
ReplyDeleteImagine the other 99% Muslims doing good in the world. No Hollywood there.
Truth,
ReplyDeleteAre you sure it is only 1% of Muslims who are Jihadis? I have seen the Pew world opinion surveys (http://pewglobal.org) and it looks to me like, depending on the country, as many as 57% of the people are Islamic terrorists. Support for acts of terrorism in defense of Islam reaches 57% in Jordan, 25% in Pakistan, and 39% in Lebanon, 15% in Indonesia. In Pakistan, 51% of the people have confidence in Osama Bin Laden, 35% Morocco.
Therefore, I conclude that your 1% figure is off by at least an order of magnitude (10x).
From what I have been taught to believe, and it seems sensible enough. Is that the Qur'an has taught mankind about how to build a nation-state with a foundation on religious principles. I don't think the US "fathers" benefited from studying the Qur'an, though I could be wrong (as my wife often says so ;-). The US was in some sense, just "plain lucky"(but I don't really believe in luck). As someone said Jefferson knew enough to keep religion as he saw it out of government. Yet there were plenty of religous fanatics who were around in those days. But I am no scholar of American history, so I can't make a good arguement about whether Christianity helped or hindered the formation of the US. Usually the truth is that a little of many factors were influential.
ReplyDeleteSo if what I said in the beginning is true, that the Holy Qur'an taught man how to build a nation on religious principles, why hasn't it continued to succeed in the modern era? First, as TIA has said, one problem is the the organization of the religious leadership. I can't say, because I don't know; but men are easily corrupted by power, money, boredom, etc. The same processes happened in Japan with Buddhism, and in Christianity. Americans surveyed many years ago when I was living in the US said, "Yes the Christian organizations here are corrupt, but NOT MY church ;-). This kind of answer is given about local vs national schools, and politicians.
The Holy Qur'an and the Holy Bible DON't seem to have much effect on people who are in power at the top, or from the mid-point up, but they certainly influence the lives of the people at the bottom of the power pyramid, don't they? Why is this?
Here is the direct link to the global public opinion survey that seems to indicate far more than 1% of Muslims are terrorists (i.e. people who favor death of civilians).
ReplyDeleteEdoriver,
ReplyDelete“I read that in 2001 Iraqi women were 62% of the total pop. Who knows what it is now!”
First, I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart for your encouragement to me and my fellow Iraqis.
As for this comment, I feel the same. Women here are more oppressed than under Saddam. They are left as widows more than before. Many educated women had to leave the country because of the religious extremists and the deterioration of the security situation. Many women had to quit their jobs because they are afraid they might be annoyed or dismissed just because they don’t wear Hijab, like in ministries where the ministers are religious.
Papa Ray,
Man! You need to clean your heart. I wonder if you are Iraqi and you live in Baghdad, what would you think of the Invaders who destroyed your country? Do you think you are going to call them terrorists? Or are you going to consider their religion “terrorist”?
“The 'invaders' and 'democracy' are not the cause or the reason the women are hated, despised and mistreated in Iraq and elsewhere...
Islam is.”
No, man. The occupiers and the fake democracy your troops brought are the reason behind all of this. This never occurred before. It came with the thugs your troops brought on their tanks when they defiled our land. These are the ones who are distorting the image of Islam. Although I am not that religious, but I have to say this. Islam never mistreated women. On the contrary, it is the strongest supporter of women on earth. Go back to the history of Islam and see what Muslim women were.
Truth About Iraqis,
You are great. I support what you said 100 percent. I support you in the fact that Islam is not etxtremist, but some Muslims are. It’s completely wrong to consider a religion as criminal because of some people who call themselves “Muslims” and are despised by real Muslims.
Fransisco,
I am so glad you liked my blog. Feel free to link my blog onto yours. I will do the same for yours. As for your Iraqi friends, I am so happy that Iraqis are telling the world how beautiful Iraq was despite the period of tyranny it went through.
We have no differences among us. The sectarian culture is brought by the same ones who brought this new fashion. I have a Christian friend right now and he is one of my best friends. I have another friend whose mother is Christian while his father is a Muslim. They never felt there is a difference between them. We even joke sometimes and ask him if his mother eat with them in Ramadhan-Muslim’s holy month. He always says that she is the one who prepares the food for Iftar for him.
It looks like (at least the educated) Iraqis indeed did not attach importance to Shia, Sunni, Christian, etc. divisions under Saddam Husseyn. That should not come as a big surprise to any OBJECTIVE observer (and not the uncritical receiver of black-and-white US government propaganda), since Saddam's regime was a proto-socialist one, was officially promoting secularism [before Saddam went back to appealing to older religious identity after the fiasco of 1991] and gender equality (yes, it was one of the most modern and egalitarian Arab states, from what I gathered! and the stories of the rapes committed by his sons - even if true, as I believe they are - have nothing to do with the general trend in the society).
ReplyDeleteOne should not fail to appreciate all the modernization brought by Baath regime; it changed the landscape of Iraqi society to the extent that young and educated Iraqis cannot even comprehend the mentality of the old strictly traditional generation.
AND, in my humble outsider opinion, IT WILL BE A DISASTER OF EPIC PROPORTIONS FOR IRAQ IF THAT PAROCHIAL MEDIEVAL INTOLERANT SMALL-MINDED TRADITIONAL MENTALITY COMES BACK - UNDER THE BANNER OF ISLAM! - AND DENIES THE COUNTRY ITS CHANCE FOR MOVING FORWARD!!
A good Sunday Morning to everyone!
ReplyDeleteFirst, Treasure thanks for the compliment. I would be lying if I tried to ignore it. As I mentioned before, your (You and TAI and others) education level, skill in using English, your open-mindedness, attracts us. If I could use Japanese the way you can use English..........
Second, you can probably guess that I have always been attracted to religions and religous topics. As I see it religion is really the center of our lives. Actually the "separation" of church and state is really a false separation. Why? Where do the mostly American/Western think human societies get their/our ethics from in the FIRST place? From the food we eat????? COMe on! We get all our values from the Religous Prophets of the past. And don't give me any of this Hammurabi, or Roman Law, being separated from religious truth, that's Baloney! They were inspired by the ancient nourishing religions of their eras (and I don't mean ZEUS and JUPITER either!)
Third, though my parents at one time hoped I would become a minister, a Presbyterian minister. I never for a moment thought I was "called". I became a political science and psychology major because of what I saw happening in my church, and the church across the street from my college. I have met some sincere Christians who would easily sacrifice their lives for any of you to protect you from harm. BUT they are almost all black and poor (and in the US). I view the Christian, which is one of two religious administations I have familiarity with, as a BARRIER towards living a moral, useful life that tries to acquire virtues in preparation for the next life.
Yes there are good pastors, There has to be at least a few out of the thousands. BUT I would say they didn't become good because of the seminary school they went to or the organization they are a part of. THEY were already sincere kind good men (some women?) before they became pastors. AND I know at least 2 who suffered burn out from the stress of the whole organization they were trapped in!!
So when I look at what is happening in Iraq, I feel some prejudice about the religous establishments trying to create a governmet,with the exception Ayatollah Ali Al- Sistani, (and there must be a Sunni holy man of similar stature, and some Mullas). However, I strongly suspect these men (no women ;-) were holy sincere souls before they started on their climbs up the religous organizations. Secondly it was the unintended adversity faced with dealing with Saddam's regime which helped purify their souls, just as it was the poverty and adversity in the US that made the black Christians I met such pure souls. I don't have much confidence in the Iraqi religous structures from 2006 forward in being an inspiration. Sure they are a traditional focus for the communities now with all the suffering and terror of war. This will allow some great men to stand out, I will pray for their lives. However sadly I don't think they are great because of the Sunni or Shia organizations they are part of. They contained those elements of sainthood long ago and the suffering they have having to endure is further purifying them. Trouble is, they will always be in the minority, and they will always be outside of power, unless they want to join the "power game" trading in their "spiritual savings account" untill they eventually become spirutially bankrupt and thus no different from the others.
Having said all this I am still not a secularist! !!!!!!!I would still say that the separation of religion from daily life is a FALSE separation. I think there will be a vacuum of spiritual nourishment in IRAQ just like there is in Japan, just like there is in the USA. We are, for the most part spiritually malnourished, impoverished, dying of spiritual hunger, and too proud to admit it!!! This is why, some good people in Russia, or East Germany, block countries, in my opinion, look back with nostalgia for the times before the collapse of the regimens. They were part of a small local community where everyone had to help one another, where true virtues were polished and appreciated for the bonds that acquiring these virtues had on the QUALITY OF THEIR COMMUNITY LIFE. They were satisfied with less material goods, not by choice, but because of the enrichment that the virtues had upon their character development.
They may not have gotten these ideas directly from the Holy Bible or the Holy Qur'an. But that doesn't mean that these sources of truth did not send light reflected through time and numberous mirrors to be caught by their purified souls, in my opinion.
The US is no model for guiding any structure that will arise in Iraq. I am sure of this. Why? because the US is participating in the same power gamemanship that existed before Saddam fell. Of course democracy is more benign than a theocracy or totalitarian regime! But Democracy assumes an ethical environment which can only really be nourished by sincere beliefs in religious values. Alot of people in the US would say that our politicians are equal to anyone in the world for their greed and materialistic corruption. Religius leaders have warned either sincerely or hypocritically against this from the beginning. It doesn7t make their advice any less true. what has happened is that the material and social technology and skill has evolved over time. Democracy is not something America invented, it is just the latest stage, the latest model of transportation of human desires on this evolving process, in my opinion. All the materialism and sexual saturation which Iran's fanatics have described as coming from the West, in my opinion, and in the opinion of other conservative Christians just as true now as at any time in the past. But the solution is not to scapegoat the US, either. We are just as much a victim of our own unrestrained animal natures as anyone in Iran or other conservative cultures. The difference in my opinion is that we have had the FREEDOM to INDULGE IN OUR ANIMAL NATURES, because of our evolving technology and social skills and you other guys haven't, yet.
As I have commented before, rather obscurely and confusingly is that I think Americans are NO DIFFERENT from Iraqi. I think if Americans were in the same proportions of Shia to Sunni, we would bomb (but no suicides, please ;=) the majority if we were Sunni, and ww would retaliate for the countless number of killings if we were the Shia community. We would indulge in the revenge factions and we would have all the political troubles that you are having now.
What have the Christian religious organizations done to prevent the injustice in American society or the Shia/Sunni organization done to prevent Saddam or the violence that is now occuring? Not much, in my opinion. Not as much as they could/ should have done, in my opinion.
I predict the same purification will happen in IrAq among the Shia and Sunni small congregations, and modest mullas, But not in most cases, by choice, but because of NECESSITY, for survival, brought about by the US and the other foreign elements.
One of the most striking images I have in my mind was either Treasure or maybe Bagdad Burning, describing a mother in grief and terror just reciting passages from the Holy Qur'an out loud, while her loved ones were under some kind of attack. What else could a helpless woman do??? If it were me or most other red-blooded men, he/we would be searching for our guns! But the woman, is responding in the way she has been taught all her life, even by a possibly corrupted system, she has appealed to GOD! And with all my heart I believe God, by whatever name you wish to call Him, will answer her prayer.
have you seen this?
ReplyDeletehttp://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060422-081251-1163r
United Press International - NewsTrack - Iraqi actors killed for entertaining kids
this was just posted on du and i remembered your post about this. what the hell is this about?
Hey Truth about Iraqis,
ReplyDeleteI actually haven't checked the comments for a couple of days, so I haven't seen these comments.
Also, I think some of the comments are really ignorant; I've seen people with this mentality before, and they just want to argue, they are usually not looking to enlighten themselves (Papa Ray). I usually try to talk to people who want to understand. And honestly, with my 9 month old baby, I haven't had the attention span to read some of these longer comments!
But your comments are great. Keep them coming.
Fatima,
ReplyDeleteMashallah, I did not know you had a baby to take care of.
My apologies for being a tad harsh.
Just a tad. ;0)
God keep your family safe.
BT,
ReplyDeleteIt's not at all surprising for me that the leaders brought in by the "coalition of the willing" forces are out of touch with reality, as evidenced in Afghanistan (what with the U.S. appointment of a former Halliburton consultant as the president) the people who would take over in situations of regime change (also evidenced in Latin America over the past 3 decades) do not have the best interests of the population at heart and are often times unaware of the realities of life in what they profess to be their "home country." It's also not surprising that the AP story about the beheading of the teachers in front of their pupils might not be the most accurate representation of the truth (that's as politely as I can think to put it). You may have heard in december an admission by the Bush administration that they were planting news stories in the Iraqi media in an effort to influence popular opinion, it's not at all surprising if planted (in english "untrue") stories made their way into the western media. (See, just for entertainment value, the U.S. state department website about the Office of Public Diplomacy)
I would also like to applaud your courage; I say this in response to some disturbing things I uncovered about the Iran/Contra affair in the 1980s in the first run of power by the current incumbants, namely that the reporter who wrote an investigative report about the matter was found in 2004 shot twice in the back of the head, and it was ruled by the coroner "suicide." (I'd love to know how one, after having been shot in the head, can still operate a weapon) If I was writing about reality in a place where powerful people want to hide the reality I would be worried sick, I genuinely applaud your courage in being one of the few honest sources of information for whats going on in the country.
I couldn't help but be taking aback by the posting from West Texas by (Ku Klux Klan Head Dragon?) Papa whateverhisnamewas. Just an interesting line that he mentioned:
"Islam's personal code tells Muslims (1) to follow Islam's rules without deviation in order to further Islam, and (2) to protect Islam at all costs. An individual has value only with regard to these two guiding principles. Compliance requires complete obedience and forbids questions."
To be completely honest, I think that this is actually the most accurate depiction of the current American regime. Try reading it this way:
The bush administration's operative code tells Americans (1) to follow America's rules without deviation in order to further America(A), and (2) to protect America(B) at all costs(C). An individual has value only with regard to these two guiding principles(D). Compliance requires complete obedience and forbids questions(E)"
(A) America's rules could be a referance to their quest for global hedgemony and how anyone who deviates from said mentality is, in the words of Dick Cheney, "unpatriotic"
(B)the U.S. spends more on "defence" than every other country in the world COMBINED
(C)Is anyone up to date with what the American military casualty rates are for this conflict?
(D)Colin Powell (for just one example) had value when he was given the party line and told to sell it to the U.N., once he had his people look in to the background of the claims he was forced to make, he discovered that the WMD premise was so flimsy that it would be very difficult to be accepted as truth; once this happened, he lost his value and was relegated to a quiet back corner of the state department where reporters weren't allowed to go right up until he was replaced by Condi "we will we will rock you with our bombs!" Rice
(E)Pursuant to the USA PATRIOT Act, anyone who disagrees with the methodology or practices of the current regime in america can be considered "assisting terrorists" and find their constitutional rights nullified.
Just a thought. Anyway we all eagerly await your next post, and please, PLEASE, be safe.
Bombs and Bullets are all we're getting in the news from Baghdad today, things seem to be getting worse than either Beirut or Belfast EVER used to be.
ReplyDeleteBT we all hope that you're ok.
Treasure of Baghdad,
ReplyDeleteJust stopping by to say hello having found my way through various links to your blog.
Islam is not the problem, violence is, and I have done my own extensive calculations. At worst, 1% of all Muslims are violent extremists and/or directly supporting them (this is the largest number I came to). This is an extraordinary number, but not nearly enough to reasonably decry Islam in general.
The real battle is not between the West and Islam, but between modernity and traditional values. The rise of fundamentalism is in proportion to the rapid encroachment of Western values on traditionalist populations. Western (political) values are endorsable and well-received in the ME, but not so much when promulgated by force. Moderate values were progressing in the reformation of Islamic states before 9/11, but the upheaval of the Iraq war appears to have compromised that battle for hearts and minds.
In Iran, for example, five years ago it might reasonably have been stated that the population wanted (real) democracy and might have tolerated a coup backed, subtly, by foreign governments, but Western pressure on the Iranian government translates to pressure on the people, and they are lining up behind the theocracy in the latest stoush over WMD.
The Iraq war has been connected with political developments elsewhere, Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon for example, but if this is so, the causal link is as difficult to discern as that causing the election of Hamas and the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. But the causal link to the London bombing has been established, and anti-US (and anti-Western) sentiment has clearly risen, while in Iraq, progressive values (like the relatively emancipated state for women, secularism - not perfectly followed by Saddam, especially in the latter years) have declined in the power vaccum. Older value systems are reinvigorated under instability. While there was not much animosity between tribes, relgious groups and other factions under Saddam, these fault lines have deepened because many people are turning to their closest familiars under crisis. The domestic power-jockeying in the Green Zone contributes to this fragmentation.
Islamophobia is a very real, growing and disappointing phenomenon (same as 'reds under the bed'). It is a pity moderate Islam does not speak out more vociferously, and that the media fails to cover it when this happens, as it did across the Islamic world, bar a few exceptions, after 9/11.
Anyway, I could talk for weeks on these and related matters. One corrollary of the wars on Afghanistan and partiicularly Iraq is that more of us in the West are learning about the ME and Islam. Over time, that education may weed out ignorance and fear, but while Islamic terrorism is ascendant, and while the press generalizes about terrorism so as to imply this is the only brand, or that any militancy is terrorism, we will continue to be reminded by some contributors to the international debate of the rubric initiated by the Bush administration - with us or against us.
I am neither with the terrorists who perpetrated 9/11, nor with the Bush administration. I reject this mindless bifurcation of complex issues.
I am with you, cousin. My government sent forces that scouted Southern Iraq before the invasion. I have kept up with developments as much as one can with TV soundbytes, the print press and the internet (a better source). As a citizen in a democracy waging war against another country, I feel it is my obligation to know about the war, the vountry we invaded, and what this means to the people, my civilian cousins, especially since the country we invaded was not attacking us, and never was likely to. But while concerning myself with the unfolding events in Iraq seems like a duty, saying hello to you comes from the heart, a heart which has been in my mouth since it became likely that the coalition of the willing would invade.
From Sydney, Australia,
B.
Salaam alaikum.
treasure
ReplyDeletehi,
how sad is this photo of women hidden under their burqas?!
and thanks for sharing your memories of a "normal" collegiate life.
Dry Bones
Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973
Wow, you really have a excellent blog here. I'll be back to visit again.
ReplyDeleteFor the most funny videos on the web please visit my blog!
Happy double oooh seven to you, and all your visitors.